How to pressure the electoral college? - Page 4

Flint · 12-15-2016, 05:11 PM

This is my only question. Why would they put that language in there?

It's certainly not "for no reason," so there has to be some reason. And because we're not mind-readers, we have to guess, based on what reasonable assumptions we can make, don't we? This is speculation, yes. Speculation is a large part of being aware of the world around you. People don't announce their intentions. People have even been known to obfuscate their intentions--believe it or not!!

Useful queries: is this part of a recognizable trend? (It is.) Have other examples of this trend been straightforward in announcing their intentions, i.e. have the hundreds of state-level, gay-hating laws been similarly, misleadingly packaged and titled? (They have.) Does creating the appearance of innocent, "religious" intentions create a "safe space" for bigots to openly deny basic human rights to other citizens, whose lives are none of their goddamn business? (It does.) Would you have to be naive, disingenuous, and/or extremely obtuse to claim ignorance of the obvious here? (You most certainly would.)

Undertoad · 12-15-2016, 06:11 PM

naw fuck it

classicman · 12-15-2016, 05:06 PM

She did wrong and was fired. What more would you like to happen, glatt?

glatt · 12-15-2016, 05:13 PM

Nothing more. She should have been fired.

But she wound up being fired because she put her religion before her job. That proposed law up two posts above talks about protecting people who act based on their religious beliefs

classicman · 12-16-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

But she wound up being fired because she put her religion before her job. That proposed law up two posts above talks about protecting people who act based on their religious beliefs

Same with the now out of business bakery.

Flint · 12-16-2016, 02:30 PM

I've scrolled through every page of this thread but I can't find the question...? (Did this yesterday also, couldn't find it, and resumed having a busy day at work.)

If it helps you to understand why I take a long time to return phone calls, texts, instant messages, and questions posed to me in message boards, it's because answers are complicated and I take a long time to weigh all of the factors before reaching a conclusion I'm 100% comfortable with. Also, the aforementioned busy day (and/or other social commitments such as literally being at a BBQ with friends), and also a fair amount of social anxiety / avoidant personality (aka Roast Beef syndrome).

"Shaming me" for not responding quick enough doesn't help. If you care.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-16-2016, 03:17 PM

There's nothing to think about, just go with preconceived notions.

Flint · 12-15-2016, 05:24 PM

Bingo.

Flint · 12-16-2016, 03:24 PM

I answered your "is it news" question in the thread it's in. It's not this thread.

Undertoad · 12-16-2016, 03:49 PM

I've lost interest, I'm out.

Flint · 12-16-2016, 03:57 PM

so, tl;dnr

Flint · 12-16-2016, 03:58 PM

Okay, you've driven me away from the Cellar a second time now.
I get the message, I won't come back. You don't want me here.

tw · 12-16-2016, 08:53 PM

From the citation:

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The bill aims to prevent the federal government from taking action against people who discriminate against LGBTQ people for religious reasons.

American was founded on a basic principle. One never imposes their religious beliefs on anyone. Ever. Earliest settlers came here because others imposed their religious beliefs on them in a harmful (discriminatory) manner.

Does not matter what your religion says. No American - for legal and for ethical reasons - no American does or cares what any other persons sexual preference is. Even worse, if that is done for religious reasons, then the perpetrator should be condemned as something worse than a Satanic worshiper.

No decent American ever discriminates against LGBTQ people for religious reasons. Ever. Religion is only a relationship between that one person and his god. It has no place imposed on anyone else anywhere in this world for any reason. We had to learn the evil of such religious actions the hard way - Spanish Inquisition, Holocaust, etc.

Religion is only how a man interfaces with his god. No man imposes religious beliefs on anyone else - if he is a good American.

First Amendment Defense Act should be retitled "We want to rape you because out religious says we should". But that would be too honest.

sexobon · 12-17-2016, 09:47 AM

I don't think that's going to pressure the electoral college.

Undertoad · 12-17-2016, 10:09 AM

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and then throw a temper tantrum when people don't comply with your unstated expectations

Psychological projection

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Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

12-15-2016, 05:11 PM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	This is my only question. Why would they put that language in there? It's certainly not "for no reason," so there has to be some reason. And because we're not mind-readers, we have to guess, based on what reasonable assumptions we can make, don't we? This is speculation, yes. Speculation is a large part of being aware of the world around you. People don't announce their intentions. People have even been known to obfuscate their intentions--believe it or not!! Useful queries: is this part of a recognizable trend? (It is.) Have other examples of this trend been straightforward in announcing their intentions, i.e. have the hundreds of state-level, gay-hating laws been similarly, misleadingly packaged and titled? (They have.) Does creating the appearance of innocent, "religious" intentions create a "safe space" for bigots to openly deny basic human rights to other citizens, whose lives are none of their goddamn business? (It does.) Would you have to be naive, disingenuous, and/or extremely obtuse to claim ignorance of the obvious here? (You most certainly would.) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 12-15-2016 at 05:38 PM.

12-15-2016, 05:06 PM	#3
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	She did wrong and was fired. What more would you like to happen, glatt? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-16-2016, 02:30 PM	#6
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I've scrolled through every page of this thread but I can't find the question...? (Did this yesterday also, couldn't find it, and resumed having a busy day at work.) If it helps you to understand why I take a long time to return phone calls, texts, instant messages, and questions posed to me in message boards, it's because answers are complicated and I take a long time to weigh all of the factors before reaching a conclusion I'm 100% comfortable with. Also, the aforementioned busy day (and/or other social commitments such as literally being at a BBQ with friends), and also a fair amount of social anxiety / avoidant personality (aka Roast Beef syndrome). "Shaming me" for not responding quick enough doesn't help. If you care. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 12-16-2016 at 02:41 PM.

12-16-2016, 03:17 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	There's nothing to think about, just go with preconceived notions. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-15-2016, 05:24 PM	#8
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Bingo. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-15-2016, 06:11 PM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	naw fuck it

12-15-2016, 05:13 PM	#4
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Nothing more. She should have been fired. But she wound up being fired because she put her religion before her job. That proposed law up two posts above talks about protecting people who act based on their religious beliefs

12-16-2016, 03:24 PM	#9
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I answered your "is it news" question in the thread it's in. It's not this thread. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-16-2016, 03:49 PM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I've lost interest, I'm out.

12-16-2016, 03:57 PM	#11
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	so, tl;dnr __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-16-2016, 03:58 PM	#12
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Okay, you've driven me away from the Cellar a second time now. I get the message, I won't come back. You don't want me here. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-17-2016, 09:47 AM	#14
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	I don't think that's going to pressure the electoral college.

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