The Philosophy of a True Conservative, Today

[Adak]

Originally Posted by regular.joe

Wow, I ask specific freedoms you have personally experienced in your life here in the US, and you cite some obscure thing that AT&T records and analyzes the traffic that goes through their system in SF for all overseas calls? That AT&T records and analyzes something that we pay for voluntarily? Don't like it that AT&T does this? Don't pay AT&T for their service.

Problem solved, problem staying solved...Rangers Lead the Way!

Next non freedom issue you care to talk about??

It's not AT&T - that would be illegal. It's the NSA, using part of the "patriot act".

The new facility in Salt Lake City, will allow they to listen in to ALL domestic phone calls, as well.

No warrant, no reasonable suspicion of ANYTHING.

[Ibby]

mkay. at least you know he was killed without his killers actually having known they'd done so. Yeah, he died of smoke inhalation in the consulate fire. To my understanding, it was smoke inhalation causing asphyxia, not carbon monoxide poisoning, that killed him, but close enough.

But he was never paraded around Benghazi, as I feel like I recall you or a similar faceless idiotic republican shill claiming. That WAS you, right? at 4:00AM i'm honestly too tired to try to search for the post. His body was found IN the saferoom he suffocated in.

just wanted to debunk that one bit of ridiculous propaganda while it was on my mind.

You're so often and consistently wrong - not just in your easy-to-check facts like that, but in your utterly inane and frankly insane attempts at making conservative ideology make sense (i've seen people make halfway-plausible defenses of conservatism but you definitely aren't one) - that I can't honestly believe that you think there's more than maybe three or four idiot Dwellars who're going to buy your laughable rhetoric.

[Adak]

Sandy gave us a BIG problem with super storm surge, and very wide spread damage, from Tennessee up to Canada. Some of the worst was in New York, where sea water flooded into subway tunnels and into electrical sub-stations, shortening them out.

Fortunately, the New Yorkers - and etc., are getting help from all across the country. San Diego Gas and Electric is sending a 46 man team in to help. Orange county CA, and Riverside Co. are also sending in teams of pro's to help out. Other CA counties are donating teams for the effort, as well. Also, teams from lots of other states are arriving to help, as well.

A lot of these electrical equipment will have to be replaced, not repaired, since they were burned to a crisp by the shorts from the sea water.

This is a Conservative's answer to an emergency. (Therefore an efficient one.) You don't need a whole lot from Washington (some of course). You need the pro's, with a self-help agreement in place, to help out in times of emergency. Not the gov't.

You look at the teams on the streets, working hard to get the power back on across the East coast - you won't see a Washington Bureaucrat anywhere!

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Adak

You look at the teams on the streets, working hard to get the power back on across the East coast - you won't see a Washington Bureaucrat anywhere!

"Washington Bureaucrats" may not be trained to work on live power lines, but I assure you that they were out there working after the storm to fix things up. I live in the suburbs of DC, and several of my neighbors are these scarey "Washington Bureaucrats." The neighborhood has been awesome in their response to the storm. We're out there clearing leaves from the storm drains, checking on one another, and offering refuge to those who have lost power.

You're so used to using "Washington Bureaucrats" as your foil that you have no idea what they are really like, and how hard they work.

[Adak]

The Liberals make a nightmare.

True story, from a few years back. (Before Katrina).

An enterprising guy from the deep South, knew from the weather report, that a Hurricane was headed for his community so:

1) He needed to evacuate

and

2) He saw an opportunity to help out his community and make a few dollars.

So he evacuated, in his van, and while he was up North, he bought several generators, suitable for a limited home power load. Something that could keep your food, and med's refrigerated, and run some lights, etc.

Nothing huge.

So he returns home, and sure enough, the power is all out. So he puts up a sign and starts selling his generators. Of course, he can't sell them at the price that Walmart or Home Depot might - he doesn't have that kind of buying power to get those discounts.

Plus, he's incurred extra costs and risks, hauling these generators around, and putting up the cash, up front. If he doesn't sell them, he's just out of luck.

And immediately, he's arrested! Why? Because the liberals have made a law that you can't sell something in the aftermath of a storm, for more than it sold for before the storm.

So the generators are impounded for evidence, so he can't sell them someplace else, and he's having to hire a lawyer and pay bail, etc.

Now his community can't buy a generator, because all the stores are either sold out of them, or they are closed because they have no power.

But he can't sell his and recover his investment - oh no! Better to have the liberal community sit in the cold and dark, with everyone's food going rotten, by gawd!!

Another example of a law, that "feels right", and isn't. In fact, it works against the community.

This is NOT the report I have posted about, but it is a similar one:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/s...1#.UJDcgYZJWuI

[DanaC]

Because only 'liberals' make unsound laws, right?

[Adak]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Because only 'liberals' make unsound laws, right?

Liberals make too make laws - period. Look at the more conservative Texas - their state legislature only meets part time.

Compare that with California - they meet all year and pass WAY more bills. Unnecessary and expensive bills, that hurt businesses and people.

That's why so many businesses have left California, and relocated to Texas. Lots of individuals, also.

So yes, by philosophy and by the quantity of their laws, most of them are supported by liberals, and signed into law by liberals.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Adak

The Liberals make a nightmare.

True story, from a few years back. (Before Katrina).

Bubba, an enterprising guy from the deep South, blah, blah, blah



This is NOT the report I have posted about, but it is a similar one:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/s...1#.UJDcgYZJWuI

Stossel is well known for his bias toward the right and his overly facile reporting on right wing issues. I'd respect a link to an impartial source more than a link to Stossel's chewing gum for the conservative brain.

Stossel ends his report with the following quote:

Today's fat oil company profits have led many to scream that they're gouging, but the higher prices are a signal to oil companies to drill for more oil.

"The high price is a big flag that's planted in the ground that says, 'Hey, come over here and make money,'" Roberts said.

Then people rush supplies in, and soon, prices come back down.

Look at any current analyses regarding the cost of oil. It's not a simple black and white equation. However, if you want to blame the cost of oil on a single factor, let’s use OPEC for the sake of argument. OPEC is a common culprit that sets oil prices for any number of reasons. They may limit the amount they export to get a higher price. In such a situation people cannot "come over here and make money." Someone can go to an OPEC country (or where ever) and drill a zillion barrels of oil. But if OPEC is manipulating its exports to keep oil at a certain price range, too bad for you. Or take the problem with high oil prices in Cali a while back. That was a problem at some of the refineries, not a drilling problem. Or the outbreak of a war can effect oil prices. And I could give many more reasons why Stossel’s quote is naive at best, disingenuous at worst. So, please don’t insult our intelligence with pronouncements like the ones you provided the link to.

You and your pal Stossel seem to feel that gouging is actually a virtuous activity. Please spare me from tiresome opinions derived from the fallacious thought of Ayn Rand. What if there was a famine? What if you were a fat cat sitting on the food supply for every single state in the US? You decide to sell your stock for $100/single grain of wheat. Massive starvation results. In fact, so many die that there are no farmers left to till the fields next spring. There’s no one left to "come over here and make money.” Well, I suppose, that’s business as usual in Rand’s Libertarian utopia., Atlas just shrugs and walks off; everyone who dies deserved to, and John Galt rapes Dagny Taggart. I guess it’s cool for libertarian guys to use their women like some commodity. Happy ever after for the Libertarian crowd.

[Lamplighter]

The Philosophy of a True Conservative, Today

A problem is presented... today
Then, 6 of the 7 the next replies by Dwellars include the word "sorry"

But the true conservative responds in post #2:

"This is not a "just world".
"Don't rely on the meds alone - rely on yourself, and try to wean yourself off the meds."
"you should have learned a few of these, along with your meds."
"Tell yourself not to accept being depressed and morose, and act like you're happy, anyway."
"Adapt and overcome, and don't depend on others to make it easy for you"
"Good luck in your pursuits!"

In 7 words, the philosophy of the true conservative, today: Just suck it up, and fix yourself.

[glatt]

"pull yourself up by your bootstraps."

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

The Philosophy of a True Conservative, Today

A problem is presented... today
Then, 6 of the 7 the next replies by Dwellars include the word "sorry"

But the true conservative responds in post #2:

"This is not a "just world".
"Don't rely on the meds alone - rely on yourself, and try to wean yourself off the meds."
"you should have learned a few of these, along with your meds."
"Tell yourself not to accept being depressed and morose, and act like you're happy, anyway."
"Adapt and overcome, and don't depend on others to make it easy for you"
"Good luck in your pursuits!"

In 7 words, the philosophy of the true conservative, today: Just suck it up, and fix yourself.

Do you believe saying "sorry" will fix the woman's problems? Because I don't THINK so.

Do you believe the world is "fair and just"? Are you a child?

Do you believe Ibby has learned NOTHING, about dealing with her problem?

You have suggested NOTHING to help Ibby solve her problem.

Don't you think a person should be encouraged to try and solve their own problems?

Your common sense gets so lonely waiting for you.

[infinite monkey]

I was thinking the same thing. It totally relates to the 47% crap.

I was angry earlier but I wanted to say what I wanted to say to Ibby and felt that "pull yourself up" conservative could kiss my ass.

But you guys made me think of it again. It's that conservative imagined superiority: whatever is wrong with you (if the same isn't wrong with me) it's all your fault.

Now, go talk yourself out of your cancer and your broken leg, you lazy bass tard.

Then I also figured Adak was going to present himself as somewhat of a medical professional too, so he'll have something else to know everything about once Romney is defeated.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

I was thinking the same thing. It totally relates to the 47% crap.

I was angry earlier but I wanted to say what I wanted to say to Ibby and felt that "pull yourself up" conservative could kiss my ass.

But you guys made me think of it again. It's that conservative imagined superiority: whatever is wrong with you (if the same isn't wrong with me) it's all your fault.

Now, go talk yourself out of your cancer and your broken leg, you lazy bass tard.

Then I also figured Adak was going to present himself as somewhat of a medical professional too, so he'll have something else to know everything about once Romney is defeated.

It's not "superiority", it's FREEDOM. It's LIBERTY. You can't have freedom or liberty, without also taking responsibility - or do you want the gov't to take that from you, as well?

Of course, you need doctors when you're sick - but when you're in the prime years of your life, you should also be able to work through your anxieties and depression, at least somewhat, without relying on a daily dose of meds.

You expect her to go through her life drugged every day, even though she can't afford it? That doesn't sound like a winning plan to me.

Taking care of your life, is like growing a garden:

*YOU have to prepare the ground, not a bureaucrat from Washington

*YOU have to plant the seeds

*YOU have to water and pull out the weeds, and keep the pests away.

YOU - not a federal bureaucrat, have to take care of your garden, and YOU should have the food it produces - not the gov't.

You probably believe this is an insane idea, but for most people, it's common sense. And it's VERY efficient. Central control from the gov't will

NEVER

grow a garden as well as you can.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Adak

YOU - not a federal bureaucrat, have to take care of your garden

What if you are a federal bureaucrat? The biggest and nicest garden in my neighborhood is maintained by a federal bureaucrat. It's amazing how bountiful it is. I've talked at length with him about his tricks, and applied some of them to my own garden.

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

It's not "superiority", it's FREEDOM. It's LIBERTY. You can't have freedom or liberty, without also taking responsibility - or do you want the gov't to take that from you, as well?

Of course, you need doctors when you're sick - but when you're in the prime years of your life, you should also be able to work through your anxieties and depression, at least somewhat, without relying on a daily dose of meds.

You expect her to go through her life drugged every day, even though she can't afford it? That doesn't sound like a winning plan to me.

Taking care of your life, is like growing a garden:

*YOU have to prepare the ground, not a bureaucrat from Washington

*YOU have to plant the seeds

*YOU have to water and pull out the weeds, and keep the pests away.

YOU - not a federal bureaucrat, have to take care of your garden, and YOU should have the food it produces - not the gov't.

You probably believe this is an insane idea, but for most people, it's common sense. And it's VERY efficient. Central control from the gov't will

NEVER

grow a garden as well as you can.

Wow.

Well thanks, but I tend my own garden (omg what a trite analogy) and all this waxing ineloquent has little to do with this reality you pretend to espouse. I know, right? That I have my own good job, and take care of my own life...and that I STILL have the audacity to believe that as a society it shouldn't be "i got mine now you get yours" is mind-boggling, isn't it? However, I know that I am not an exception to the rule.

You expect her to go through her life drugged every day, even though she can't afford it? That doesn't sound like a winning plan to me.

Funny, I don't recall saying anything of the kind. You grab onto talking points that don't actually exist in the post you are 'responding' to.

I say this with the sense of inner self that makes me realize I am lesser, that I do want to be just like you, that you have the answers...or at least the general idea of what the answers should be...and I and my god are completely envious of your insight.

Oh, and I'm The Great Sarcastic.

I do wonder where my like-minded fellows are when you post such an abberration, such an over the top conglomeration of disrespectful bullshit, in response to my comment?

Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?