Capital Murder Trial Starts Monday - Page 4

GunMaster357 · 11-23-2011, 10:13 AM

Here, we have a nice one running in the news: rape/murder of a girl by a minor (17).

After a psychiatric consult, the guy was placed by a judge in a school for difficult students after a few months in jail to await judgement about attempted rape (another case). That's where he met the girl he killed last week. The school wasn't aware of his situation until too late.

He'll probably get something like 30 years with no parole for 22 years (that's the maximum for a minor). The attempted rape case will be judged but it won't add anything to his time: jail sentences are not cumulative in France.

The main problem is that the judge did not see fit to warn the school principal about the situation. And it is raising quite a fuss.

Clodfobble · 11-23-2011, 11:03 AM

Not to make light of the girl's death, but I do think the school is trying to cover their ass a bit. The only thing the judge could have "warned" them about is that the student was awaiting judgement (i.e. not convicted yet) on an attempted rape case. Unless the psych eval showed that "this kid also has clearly homicidal tendencies," the school should have known all they could have known at that point by the kid's mere presence in this school for difficult students.

Maybe it's different in France, but here, the separate schools that a judge assigns you to go to are full of students with prior convictions, psychologists and social workers are standard members of the staff alongside the teachers, and the school knows darn well that they have to monitor students closely and expect horrific behavior from them at every given opportunity. I think the school fucked up and failed to protect this girl, and they're trying to claim it wasn't their fault because they couldn't have known this kid was a delinquent.

GunMaster357 · 11-23-2011, 11:34 AM

The problem is that the school knew he was awaiting judgement but not that it was for attempted rape. It looks like they asked about it but got the answer that they didn't need to know.

And it is just a school for difficult students not a special school for young convicts.
From what I was able to gather, the psyh report said he wasn't dangerous...

infinite monkey · 11-23-2011, 11:37 AM

The world over, rape itself isn't all that dangerous. Now MURDER, that's dangerous.

We don't want to insult a budding murderer/fledgling rapist by telling his new school he's just a RAPIST. It might hurt his self-esteem. Yes, as far as they knew, he was still just a RAPIST, and not so harmful to society.

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11-23-2011, 10:13 AM	#46
GunMaster357 Professor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brest (FRANCE) Posts: 1,837	Here, we have a nice one running in the news: rape/murder of a girl by a minor (17). After a psychiatric consult, the guy was placed by a judge in a school for difficult students after a few months in jail to await judgement about attempted rape (another case). That's where he met the girl he killed last week. The school wasn't aware of his situation until too late. He'll probably get something like 30 years with no parole for 22 years (that's the maximum for a minor). The attempted rape case will be judged but it won't add anything to his time: jail sentences are not cumulative in France. The main problem is that the judge did not see fit to warn the school principal about the situation. And it is raising quite a fuss. __________________ "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." - Ambrose Bierce

11-23-2011, 11:03 AM	#47
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Not to make light of the girl's death, but I do think the school is trying to cover their ass a bit. The only thing the judge could have "warned" them about is that the student was awaiting judgement (i.e. not convicted yet) on an attempted rape case. Unless the psych eval showed that "this kid also has clearly homicidal tendencies," the school should have known all they could have known at that point by the kid's mere presence in this school for difficult students. Maybe it's different in France, but here, the separate schools that a judge assigns you to go to are full of students with prior convictions, psychologists and social workers are standard members of the staff alongside the teachers, and the school knows darn well that they have to monitor students closely and expect horrific behavior from them at every given opportunity. I think the school fucked up and failed to protect this girl, and they're trying to claim it wasn't their fault because they couldn't have known this kid was a delinquent. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

11-23-2011, 11:34 AM	#48
GunMaster357 Professor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brest (FRANCE) Posts: 1,837	The problem is that the school knew he was awaiting judgement but not that it was for attempted rape. It looks like they asked about it but got the answer that they didn't need to know. And it is just a school for difficult students not a special school for young convicts. From what I was able to gather, the psyh report said he wasn't dangerous... __________________ "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." - Ambrose Bierce

11-23-2011, 11:37 AM	#49
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	The world over, rape itself isn't all that dangerous. Now MURDER, that's dangerous. We don't want to insult a budding murderer/fledgling rapist by telling his new school he's just a RAPIST. It might hurt his self-esteem. Yes, as far as they knew, he was still just a RAPIST, and not so harmful to society.

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