#2 VS #14

[Happy Monkey]

I would guess that EMS would be more ambulance related (or outside of the hospital, in general), and EMC would be emergency rooms.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

I don't understand your interpretation of the link you cited. The first paragraphs list services available, but then the next section says:

It's explained in more detail on the main page of that document (which doesn't actually seem to be linked, but if you cut off the last bit of the URL you'll get there.) Overall, the state as a whole breaks even. However, the local governments are A.) bearing a huge portion of the services costs that the state is not, and B.) not getting back in taxes what they spend, as opposed to the state.

In a 2007 report by the White House Council of Economic Advisors,
it is estimated that over a lifetime, immigrants and their descendents contribute
$80,000 more in taxes than they receive in public services."

And this was my point--the numbers work out when you include the taxes paid by their descendants, who are often legal because of the anchor baby clause. Take that away, and the balance sheet may change.

[Happy Monkey]

So if we change the Constitution to remove the "anchor baby clause", the balance sheet may go from positive to negative?

[classicman]

Well said dmg. What I think you are saying is that you want a MORE EFFICIENT Gov't?
That would be nice. Reminds me of what Ross Perot said. Gotta run it more like a business.
There is too much waste and bureaucracy. This isn't a D or R thing - its a Gov't thing that we can no longer afford. Reallocating resources or removing redundant layer upon layer of duplication would certainly help.

[dmg1969]

Originally Posted by classicman

Well said dmg. What I think you are saying is that you want a MORE EFFICIENT Gov't?
That would be nice. Reminds me of what Ross Perot said. Gotta run it more like a business.
There is too much waste and bureaucracy. This isn't a D or R thing - its a Gov't thing that we can no longer afford. Reallocating resources or removing redundant layer upon layer of duplication would certainly help.

Exactly, classic. It should not be a democrat or republican issue. Our government is so full of red tape and waste, nothing really ever gets done. I'd be in favor of putting a lot more MAJOR issues on the ballot and let the citizens decide...not the clowns in Washington.

We need to vote the vast majority out and apply term limits on them so they don't make a career out of politics. We do it with the President...why not with the House and Senate? Limit them to 2 terms and that's it...for LIFE. Career politicians are only looking out for one group...themselves. We handled it in PA. A few years back some politicians in Harrisburg took it upon themselves to vote themselves pay raises in the middle of the night. After the uproar, some gave the money back, but some didn't (including a state judge) and soon found themselves unemployed.

The problem with today's society is the feeling of entitlement. Many people don't want to work for what they get...they feel they deserve it.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by dmg1969

Our government is probably the most bloated and wasteful in the world. What's next...an oil czar? a natural gas czar? a coal czar? a bank czar? a czar overseeing the other czars (I guess that would be a czar czar)? Where does it stop?

I think we have all those czars already -

Americans have been very long in waking up to the fact that our politicians fuck us every time we drop our keys and bend over to pick them up...but we are waking up.

he he he

Originally Posted by dmg1969

It should not be a democrat or republican issue. Our government is so full of red tape and waste, nothing really ever gets done. I'd be in favor of putting a lot more MAJOR issues on the ballot and let the citizens decide...not the clowns in Washington.

For some things I agree, but what I don't want is the situation they have in CA.
THAT state is effed up.

We need to vote the vast majority out and apply term limits on them so they don't make a career out of politics. We do it with the President...why not with the House and Senate? Limit them to 2 terms and that's it...for LIFE. Career politicians are only looking out for one group...themselves.

The problem with today's society is the feeling of entitlement. Many people don't want to work for what they get...they feel they deserve it.

yer preachin' to the choir, dude.

[Shawnee123]

One argument about the 2nd amendment is that this is not what was intended when it was originally written.

And, we're right back to the OP, yes?

[Shawnee123]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/0...ex.html?hpt=C2

The far right has latched onto the idea that the provision in question -- which grants citizenship to children born in the U.S. -- is being abused by illegal immigrants who choose to come to America to have their children, thus worsening the illegal immigration problem.

Some are even trying to suggest that how it is being used today is counter to the original intent of the Founding Fathers.

Of course, the 14th Amendment was not in the first U.S. Constitution as drawn up by our framers. It was adopted on July 9, 1868, to prevent Southern states from denying citizenship to former slaves and their children, since they didn't choose to come to America. They were brought here for the purpose of the vicious and dehumanizing free-labor plan that helped build the nation -- slavery.

It's clear that overall Congress is choosing to apply a Band-Aid to the illegal immigration problem instead of dealing with it head-on.

We have members on both sides of the aisle who care more about protecting their precious jobs and partisan poll numbers instead of actually finding a bipartisan solution. So instead of leadership, we get asinine suggestions like this one, which will do absolutely nothing about the estimated 10 million illegal immigrants in the country.

[lookout123]

So you're saying we should repeal the 14th amendment because there are probably no living slaves that have yet to be granted citizenship?

[classicman]

Bottom of article has some discussion of the 14th you might like to read.

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