Israeli naval commandos stormed a flotilla of ships - Page 4

Spexxvet · 06-15-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

... Are these people serious?
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Everything is Obama's fault. Except good stuff.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-20-2010, 03:03 AM

Spexx, has it escaped your notice that Democratic Administrations have not for decades actually seriously attempted to decisively win any wars? They are no less eager, on the record, to get into the shooting than Republican Administrations, but the record says that somehow they never believe in actually winning in such clashes. They're not in it to win.

The Republicans, by contrast, think it is a virtue for the forces of democracy to win wars, especially with antidemocratic forces. And antidemocrats are the only foes we've shot at since 1898. Look it up if you don't want to just believe me. I already understand this and why shouldn't you?

(And the Libertarians potentially could think this way, and still, I think, be Libertarians. They don't -- yet.)

The last Democratic President to win a war was Truman. The last Dem President to attempt it was Johnson. For God's sake, even that was two generations ago.

Shawnee123 · 06-20-2010, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Spexx, has it escaped your notice that Democratic Administrations have not for decades actually seriously attempted to decisively win any wars? They are no less eager, on the record, to get into the shooting than Republican Administrations, but the record says that somehow they never believe in actually winning in such clashes. They're not in it to win.

Cool. When do we start "winning" in the middle east? I thought the mission was accomplished but we just seem to be wallowing in mediocrity instead of actually winning anything. There's no money in the cure.

06-20-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Spexx, has it escaped your notice that Democratic Administrations have not for decades actually seriously attempted to decisively win any wars? They are no less eager, on the record, to get into the shooting than Republican Administrations, but the record says that somehow they never believe in actually winning in such clashes. They're not in it to win.
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The last Democratic President to win a war was Truman. The last Dem President to attempt it was Johnson. For God's sake, even that was two generations ago.

The Bosnian war....with a combination of military force and forceful diplomacy (Dayton accord)....and only one US casualty.

Undertoad · 06-20-2010, 08:34 AM

It's not fucking worth it with UG, Redux. I made exactly the same point to him in exactly the same context: here and here. He did not pay attention. He is write-only.

Maybe if we say it louder.

HEY! URBANE GUERILLA!

BILL CLINTON WON THE GODDAMN BOSNIAN WAR!!!!

06-20-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

It's not fucking worth it with UG, Redux. I made exactly the same point to him in exactly the same context: here and here. He did not pay attention. He is write-only.

Maybe if we say it louder.

HEY! URBANE GUERILLA!

CLINTON WON THE GODDAMN BOSNIAN WAR

Just giving him a third strike to swing at.

I'll go back to my coffee now.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-20-2010, 08:41 AM

Bosnia doesn't count, because we didn't gain any land, or raw materials, for the American ~~empire~~ business interests.

Undertoad · 06-20-2010, 08:43 AM

Sorry about my late edits. My posts are first drafts for the first five minutes...

Griff · 06-20-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

It's not fucking worth it with UG, Redux. I made exactly the same point to him in exactly the same context: here and here. He did not pay attention. He is write-only.

Maybe if we say it louder.

HEY! URBANE GUERILLA!

BILL CLINTON WON THE GODDAMN BOSNIAN WAR!!!!

Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Shawnee123 · 06-20-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I would like salsa with my tortillas.

TheMercenary · 06-21-2010, 04:20 AM

We should have ignored Bosnia completely. It was in the European backyard, they should have delt with it completely.

Undertoad · 06-21-2010, 07:38 AM

You wouldn't make that statement if it hadn't been

Bill Clinton

who stopped a genocide of ethnic cleansing including systematic mass rape and torture when he

won the war

classicman · 06-21-2010, 10:25 AM

HA! I, for one, am loving UT's new posting style.

Spexxvet · 06-21-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

We should have ignored Saddam Hussien completely. He was in the Middle East's backyard, they should have delt with it completely.

Fixed that for ya.

Shawnee123 · 06-21-2010, 11:58 AM

Good one!

06-20-2010, 03:03 AM	#47
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Spexx, has it escaped your notice that Democratic Administrations have not for decades actually seriously attempted to decisively win any wars? They are no less eager, on the record, to get into the shooting than Republican Administrations, but the record says that somehow they never believe in actually winning in such clashes. They're not in it to win. The Republicans, by contrast, think it is a virtue for the forces of democracy to win wars, especially with antidemocratic forces. And antidemocrats are the only foes we've shot at since 1898. Look it up if you don't want to just believe me. I already understand this and why shouldn't you? (And the Libertarians potentially could think this way, and still, I think, be Libertarians. They don't -- yet.) The last Democratic President to win a war was Truman. The last Dem President to attempt it was Johnson. For God's sake, even that was two generations ago. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

06-20-2010, 08:41 AM	#52
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Bosnia doesn't count, because we didn't gain any land, or raw materials, for the American ~~empire~~ business interests. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-21-2010, 10:25 AM	#58
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	HA! I, for one, am loving UT's new posting style. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-21-2010, 11:58 AM	#60
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Good one! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-20-2010, 08:34 AM	#50
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It's not fucking worth it with UG, Redux. I made exactly the same point to him in exactly the same context: here and here. He did not pay attention. He is write-only. Maybe if we say it louder. HEY! URBANE GUERILLA! BILL CLINTON WON THE GODDAMN BOSNIAN WAR!!!!

06-20-2010, 08:43 AM	#53
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Sorry about my late edits. My posts are first drafts for the first five minutes...

06-21-2010, 04:20 AM	#56
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	We should have ignored Bosnia completely. It was in the European backyard, they should have delt with it completely.

06-21-2010, 07:38 AM	#57
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You wouldn't make that statement if it hadn't been Bill Clinton who stopped a genocide of ethnic cleansing including systematic mass rape and torture when he won the war

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