The American form of Government - Page 4

TGRR · 02-15-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

They may not be the whole reason for my anger, but they were huge contributors to the cause. Seriously, wtf was that? And this TGGR guy, what's he, like Asshole Runner Up in case TehMercenary can't fulfill his duties of King Asshole?

Fuck. That.

Yeah, except that I'm not a raging neocon.

TheMercenary · 02-19-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

They may not be the whole reason for my anger, but they were huge contributors to the cause. Seriously, wtf was that? And this TGGR guy, what's he, like Asshole Runner Up in case TehMercenary can't fulfill his duties of King Asshole?

Fuck. That.

WOw missed this one too. Good idea. Blame a bunch of 1's and 0's on a Forum for your personal problems.

Shawnee123 · 02-15-2009, 03:17 PM

Eh, I think we got through our problems a while ago.

Some people, though, you can't be nice to.

Shawnee123 · 02-15-2009, 04:54 PM

Sorry TGRR. I see now that you really had little to do with the whole mess.

I'm bowing out.

Aliantha · 02-15-2009, 05:07 PM

I can't understand how a person can logically claim to have valid input in a discussion if they're not informed on the topic ie. they've watched the video or read the OP etc.

So you think it's crap. Fine, but don't waste bandwidth starting an argument if you don't even know what you're commenting on.

Merc...did you really have to?

TGRR · 02-15-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I can't understand how a person can logically claim to have valid input in a discussion if they're not informed on the topic ie. they've watched the video or read the OP etc.

So you think it's crap. Fine, but don't waste bandwidth starting an argument if you don't even know what you're commenting on.

Merc...did you really have to?

Again...if you watch long enough to see one major lie/distortion, you've seen enough.

Aliantha · 02-15-2009, 05:22 PM

Yeah, and if you keep arguing even though you're uninformed you look like a dick.

TGRR · 02-16-2009, 06:34 PM

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Yeah, and if you keep arguing even though you're uninformed you look like a dick.

I'm comfortable with that, if the alternative is being forced to eat the entire shit sandwich before you can say it tastes bad.

Flint · 02-19-2009, 05:23 PM

No. They call that your early, formative years of internet political discussions, while you're still thrashing around like a two-year-old who has learned to assert their independance but hasn't learned how to master their temper tantrums; before you gain a little maturity and begin to understand that finding the kernel of truth in your opponent's argument means that you actually learned something that day. We all have our less than flattering moments, but as they say about cheating in school, you're only hurting yourself.

TheMercenary · 02-19-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

...before you gain a little maturity and begin to understand that finding the kernel of truth in your opponent's argument means that you actually learned something that day.

Words of wisdom.

TGRR · 02-19-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

No. They call that your early, formative years of internet political discussions, while you're still thrashing around like a two-year-old who has learned to assert their independance but hasn't learned how to master their temper tantrums;

I see. Because I refuse to swallow shit, I'm "thrashing around".

Shawnee123 · 02-19-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

No. They call that your early, formative years of internet political discussions, while you're still thrashing around like a two-year-old who has learned to assert their independance but hasn't learned how to master their temper tantrums; before you gain a little maturity and begin to understand that finding the kernel of truth in your opponent's argument means that you actually learned something that day. We all have our less than flattering moments, but as they say about cheating in school, you're only hurting yourself.

You are a wise man, Flint.

02-20-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

No. They call that your early, formative years of internet political discussions, while you're still thrashing around like a two-year-old who has learned to assert their independance but hasn't learned how to master their temper tantrums; before you gain a little maturity and begin to understand that finding the kernel of truth in your opponent's argument means that you actually learned something that day. We all have our less than flattering moments, but as they say about cheating in school, you're only hurting yourself.

If it looks like bullsihit and smells like bullshilt.....its probably bullshit

Recognizing bullshit is party of the learning process as well.

Thee is little knowledge gained from post's consisting of editorials with an agenda that can be so easily picked apart for accuracy by objective observers (e.g. "the bill means government will take over your health decisions", "$millions for Pelosi's mouse project", "Obama wants to gerrymander Congressional seats", "not as bad as the Vince Foster coverup", etc) , accompanied by sarcastic one liners....other than perhaps, a bit about the poster's mindset.

But , IMO, such posts hardly qualify as contributing to insightful discourse.

classicman · 02-20-2009, 12:48 PM

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If it looks like bullsihit and smells like bullshilt.....its probably bullshit

I love the alternate spellings - :p

Flint · 02-20-2009, 03:36 PM

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What a pile of crap.

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what exactly marks it as a pile of crap?

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Their definition of left vs right, 30 seconds into the video.

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What marks it as crap?

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Asked and answered.

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No you didn't answer it at all. What piece of information do you not agree with? What specifically is incorrectly explained? How could it be done better. Anyone can call something crap, it takes a little more to actually suggest you have a valid argument.

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Yes, I answered it. The definition of the right vs left dichotomy given is a complete fabrication which has absolutely no basis in political theory or even dictionary definitions. It is meaningless Rush Limbaugh garbage, and can only be taken seriously by people who think Ann Coulter is highbrow reading.

Since the definition is the basis upon which the rest of the video is bases, the rest of the video is gibberish as well.

QED.

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Originally Posted by Redux

Recognizing bullshit is party of the learning process as well.

A useful definition for bullshit is: that which cannot be backed up with logical reasoning and/or that which has only been backed up with specious reasoning (i.e. no attempt has been made to employee logical reasoning). In the above quoted exchange, where do you see the most critical thinking skills being utilized? This isn't intended as a critique of any individual user, but rather a case study in clear thought processes.

02-15-2009, 03:17 PM	#3
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Eh, I think we got through our problems a while ago. Some people, though, you can't be nice to. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

02-15-2009, 04:54 PM	#4
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Sorry TGRR. I see now that you really had little to do with the whole mess. I'm bowing out. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

02-15-2009, 05:07 PM	#5
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I can't understand how a person can logically claim to have valid input in a discussion if they're not informed on the topic ie. they've watched the video or read the OP etc. So you think it's crap. Fine, but don't waste bandwidth starting an argument if you don't even know what you're commenting on. Merc...did you really have to? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-15-2009, 05:22 PM	#7
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yeah, and if you keep arguing even though you're uninformed you look like a dick. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-19-2009, 05:23 PM	#9
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	No. They call that your early, formative years of internet political discussions, while you're still thrashing around like a two-year-old who has learned to assert their independance but hasn't learned how to master their temper tantrums; before you gain a little maturity and begin to understand that finding the kernel of truth in your opponent's argument means that you actually learned something that day. We all have our less than flattering moments, but as they say about cheating in school, you're only hurting yourself. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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