SicKo- Seen it?

[Flint]

Originally Posted by yesman065

I never said I didn't want to pay for it, I thought it was a lot of money for the amount of time we were actually "seen" - thats all.

You're not paying for the "time" you were "seen" - you are paying for diagnostic services, IE "is this finger broken or not?" - information you needed and could not get on your own. So, you required professional services. To provide the sevices that anyone, at any time, needs to be available, requires massive amounts of resources on behalf of the facility.

Since the finger wasn't broken, maybe you feel your "time" was wasted, IE "they didn't do anything!" The truth is: a team of professional healthcare providers coordinated to provide you with the answer you needed: the finger isn't broken. In hindsight, with the answers provided by the facility via their technological infrastructure and staff of trained professionals, you have the luxury of saying "I waited around for two hours, and they didn't do anything!"

On the flipside, what if the finger had been broken? Would your "time" have been "wasted" then? Hindsight is 20/20.

Originally Posted by Cicero

Don't try to Alpha cellarite my a**.

I would never try to alpha cellarite anyone, I'm a black sheep! But that was funny enough for the Hall of Fame.

Originally Posted by glatt

Flint works in IT in a health facility. He is part of the overhead. So when you pay $2000 plus for a simple visit, you are paying for Flint.

...to dick around on The Cellar for half the day...

[Cicero]

Hmmm....I'm sorry, I read- negotiation to determine authorization.
What are you negotiating?
What are you appealing?
You are right....I am totally lost...
I also have another question....
Is it that costly to provide an emergency service? Or are, we that pay our bills, helping to eat the cost for the 50 percent that don't?

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Hmmm....I'm sorry, I read- negotiation to determine authorization.
What are you negotiating?
What are you appealing?
You are right....I am totally lost...
I also have another question....
Is it that costly to provide an emergency service? Or are, we that pay our bills, helping to eat the cost for the 50 percent that don't?

Whenever a patient arrives at a hospital for services, after they are evaluated, there's a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes that patients don't know about. One of those things is presenting the clinical information to the insurance provider to notify them of the patient's need for treatment. Typically between one and five days of inpatient treatment get authorized at the "front door," with concurrent review handled by treatment staff on the inpatient unit.

Psychiatric Emergency Care and Medical Emergency Care are two different creatures, with different billing structures. I know that we're pretty cheap as far as things go ... our actual billable rate for an evaluation, for example, is around $100. Our inpatient treatment day rate is $1000. We do not get paid that much by insurance companies. I think that we end up with around $350/day for acute psychiatric treatment for patients with insurance.

Medical Emergency Room treatment is very expensive, which is why it's a bad idea to use the ER as your family doctor. That many uninsured people do this is one of the reasons that ERs are overloaded. A friend of mine is an ER doc and has been discussing ways around this ... having a triage doctor or nurse practitioner who can refer non-emergent patients to a "clinic" that exists side by side with the ER.

MM's weight is not an issue and bringing it up says a LOT about those who do it.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

MM's weight is not an issue and bringing it up says a LOT about those who do it.

This would be funny if it were a joke.
Ok.... I'm going to laugh anyway!

[DanaC]

I like Moore. I used to watch him years ago when he had that little weekly show that went out in US and UK in the 90s ( I think). I know he comes in for a lot of stick, but I really think he fights the battles he believes in with these films. The issues he tackles are issues which need to be talked about.

[piercehawkeye45]

I give MM respect for this:

(It isn't what it seems like)

You respect Moore for a music video?

[piercehawkeye45]

I said "give respect", not "I respect".

I'm missing something.
Did he direct it and you think the cinematography and editing are good?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I'm missing something.
Did he direct it and you think the cinematography and editing are good?

I'm a RATM fan.

It wasn't a great video but it bad by any means.

[Cicero]

I don't understand the video's meaning either. Is it just that it's made documentary style or what?

Flint- I will now take a bow.

Wolf- Are we or are we not (people that pay their bills) eating the cost of healthcare for the people that are uninsured and do not?

1000 dollars a day sounds like a lot to pay........See?..... I can not afford for any of you to drive me mad.....

Thank you for trying to answer some of my questions- but you seem to think that that system is working.......?
You're descriptions only seem to validate what I thought in the first place......

[Drax]

I've not seen it yet as I'm not readily able to get to a theater.

[DanaC]

I watched it tonight. I thought it was very good and really raised some interesting points. Also, it briefly featured my political hero (Tony Benn) talking with Moore about the British system. He's a wonderful man. He was the white haired, softly spoken, old English gent.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I like Moore. I think, his motives are basically good. I believe that he believes in the fight. I believe he has an overarching sense of compassion and humanity and that comes through in his film making.

I found the film very moving. I also found it informative and funny.

Is it worth going to see? For those who did see it, how was it? I know that is a real general question for a documentary movie such as this one, but that's the easiest way to phrase it.