Sanctuary

[BigV]

Children that are citizens have all the same rights granted by the Constitution that adults that are citizens are granted by the Constitution. Period. I've been unable to find anywhere that says, "under 18 must go!"

So, let me ask you this, what about a purely domestic case where the parent is taken out of the equation. Deportation, sudden death, imprisonment, abduction by aliens, whatEVER. What would you do with those children? Deport *them*? Why does the formerly present, but now absent, parent's status have fuck-all to do with whether or not this young American Citizen is permitted to stay in their country?

You're pretty clear on what the punishment should be here. What is the crime of the child?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by BigV

What would you do with those children?

You tell me. I don't want them, so I guess they'll have to live at your house

Deport *them*? Why does the formerly present, but now absent, parent's status have fuck-all to do with whether or not this young American Citizen is permitted to stay in their country?

I guess they'll have to live at your house.

You're pretty clear on what the punishment should be here. What is the crime of the child?

I guess they'll have to live at your house.

When your neighbors dog comes over and shits in your yard, you chase him off, But the shit is now your problem because it's a citizen of your yard.

[bluecuracao]

The shit isn't a citizen. A citizen is a person.

That's real nice, comparing children to shit.

One of my best friends in school was the daughter of an undocumented immigrant from Mexico. She made the honor roll every year, and became a teacher after graduating from college. She's not "shit."

[xoxoxoBruce]

She is also not my responsibility and I don't want her to be my problem or expense.

Until your 18, you ain't shit.

[Rexmons]

cool! im gonna start the first official "Church of Nambla" and I'm gonna charge rich child molestors a million dollars a piece for "sanctuary" from chris hansen.

[BigV]

Sanctuary from what? From having their children deported for the crimes of the parents?

:scoff:

[jinx]

Would you leave your children behind V?

[BigV]

If I died, yes.

If I went to prison, yes.

If I was being returned to a country where the life was **so awful** that I bribed coyotes, faced mortal danger in shipping containers or arid desert to knowingly face an army of immigration officials sworn to catch me not to mention an increasingly hostile population for the chance to work for below market wages in non-cushy jobs to get here in the first place, and I knew my children were *entitled to stay* because they were citizens, I would leave them behind. I would consider my odyssey a success. I would have gotten *my children* to a better place, even if I could not stay with them.

Good question.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by BigV

I would consider my odyssey a success. I would have gotten *my children* to a better place, even if I could not stay with them.

I don't understand.... you didn't get your children here - they were born here. You chose to start a family here, knowing you could be jailed and/or kicked out for breaking the law, knowing you would either have to leave them or take them. How is that successful? Imagine being that kid...

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by BigV

If I was being returned to a country where the life was **so awful** that I bribed coyotes, faced mortal danger in shipping containers or arid desert

Pretty subjective. Ignorant people believing con men, does not have a prerequisite of living in a hell hole.

to knowingly face an army of immigration officials sworn to catch me

BFD, you get a free bus ride back.

not to mention an increasingly hostile population

and rightly so

for the chance to work for below market wages in non-cushy jobs to get here in the first place,

nobody is forcing them...or inviting them

and I knew my children were *entitled to stay* because they were citizens, I would leave them behind. I would consider my odyssey a success. I would have gotten *my children* to a better place, even if I could not stay with them.

Good question.

So you would rather have your kids begging in the streets, probably joining a gang for protection and selling drugs on the corner to earn their keep with the gang, than be in a nurturing family environment of poor people. You prick.

I'll start replying again when you start making sense.

[bluecuracao]

Given their circumstances, they consider it worth the risk. There's a decent enough chance that they won't be jailed or deported, so it's not something they would "know" for sure.

Hopefully, the new immigration bill will pass, so a lot of this anxiety will be alleviated. Then they'll just have to worry about coming up with $5000 to pay the fine.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Given their circumstances, they consider it worth the risk. There's a decent enough chance that they won't be jailed or deported, so it's not something they would "know" for sure.

If you were at the alter and he said, Sorry I'm late for the wedding but I'm a criminal and had to dodge the feds. Wouldn't you have some trepidation about starting a family, with the sword of Damocles hanging over your head?

Hopefully, the new immigration bill will pass, so a lot of this anxiety will be alleviated. Then they'll just have to worry about coming up with $5000 to pay the fine.

They also have to go home, learn English and wait in line to come back. Maybe the Churches that were so anxious to shield them will pay the $5k?

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If you were at the alter and he said, Sorry I'm late for the wedding but I'm a criminal and had to dodge the feds. Wouldn't you have some trepidation about starting a family, with the sword of Damocles hanging over your head?

I don't understand the point of your scenario. U.S. citizens marry undocumented immigrants very often, for whatever personal reasons.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They also have to go home, learn English and wait in line to come back. Maybe the Churches that were so anxious to shield them will pay the $5k?

Only the heads of households would have to do that. I wouldn't be surprised if the Churches helped people out with the fines.

[monster]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Then they'll just have to worry about coming up with $5000 to pay the fine.

hmmm.