Evolution’s Backers in Kansas Start Counterattack - Page 4

Hippikos · 08-04-2006, 05:03 AM

It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. (Groucho Marx)

Elspode · 08-07-2006, 10:02 PM

I live in the KC Metro area. I work in Kansas City, Kansas. I am unhappy as hell that these Right Wing idiots are shoving this tripe into the public education system.

They're going to save our souls whether we want them to or not.

wolf · 08-08-2006, 09:05 AM

Is the concept that people go to Bible college to learn about the Bible so foreign to you?

tw · 08-08-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Is the concept that people go to Bible college to learn about the Bible so foreign to you?

Apparently 'learning to think' (a purpose of college) and the bible are mutually exclusive - a classic oxymoron. No wonder they capitalize 'Bible' and lower case 'college'.

KinkyVixen · 08-08-2006, 11:57 AM

You guys spend an awful lot of time worrying about shit...I for one got tired of listening to the BS about evolution and how evolution was the only thing that brought us here. 'Cause hell, I believe that a big gas explosion caused our hearts to beat and our bodies to be able to house babies...it's just so easy to believe that right? Yeah. Maybe for it's hard for those of you to believe that there is a God and he designed us, because it's harder to prove? Evolution hasn't been proven, not the evolution of man from a tiny organism that got triggered by an explosion, at least not in my eyes. I see how things can evolve, but the evolution of man from an ape? Seriously? Regardless of all that, I don't think I should have to sit in a science class and be taught my teachers view of the world and religion and evolution and be told that if I don't agree with him I will flunk the class. It's ok for him to have his opinion and shove it down my throat (believe it or else), but it's not ok to have my own? Why can't kids be taught both sides, and pick their own? In my opinion it (evolution and intelligent design) shouldn't be taught at all, at least not in school...it should be left at home, like a lot of other issues.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-08-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

I don't think I should have to sit in a science class and be taught my teachers view of the world and religion and evolution and be told that if I don't agree with him I will flunk the class. It's ok for him to have his opinion and shove it down my throat (believe it or else), but it's not ok to have my own?

Science teachers don't don't teach their opinion, they don't teach religion, either. They teach science.

KinkyVixen · 08-10-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Science teachers don't don't teach their opinion, they don't teach religion, either. They teach science.

Maybe that's how it was in your science class Bruce, but in most of mine, that wasn't the case.

tw · 08-10-2006, 02:34 PM

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Maybe that's how it was in your science class Bruce, but in most of mine, that wasn't the case.

... which means examples are required to demonstrate what is claimed.

KinkyVixen · 08-10-2006, 02:48 PM

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... which means examples are required to demonstrate what is claimed.

...which means if you're gonna teach one, you should teach both. Or none at all, like I was saying.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-11-2006, 01:10 AM

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... which means examples are required to demonstrate what is claimed.

You want to hear everything I was taught in science class?
I don't have the time nor I expect do you.
Besides, I can't tell you what I was taught, only what I learned.

tw · 08-08-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

You guys spend an awful lot of time worrying about shit...

How obvious. Don't think. Have an education equivalent to a monkey. Then proclaim superiority to those monkeys. Then fight wars for the destruction of mankind - and proclaim all is part of god's will. It must be because it must be.

Why was that logic not so obvious? Clearly I waste time trying to become informed. Clearly I spend not enough time appreciating biblical logic.

Be like a monkey. That means I will be superior - god's chosen creature. Clearly I was wasting too much time learning god’s laws that are not in the bible. Foolish me. Even monkeys know better – that man cannot even fly. Why do I waste time learning science when everything necessary to know is already in the bible? Even gallstones can be removed by prayer. Why waste time in a hospital consulting someone trained in science? After all, god tells us so. How do we know? He told Pat Robertson. And clearly god wants man to destroy all those other evil religions - for the glory of god.

Clearly it must be the purpose of man; to do god’s bidding. Cleanse the world of evil people – especially those so silly as to believe other religions. Even the Jews will be converted. Silly me. I did not realize the bible would tell me all just like a fortune teller. Why did I waste time learning things? Kinkyvixen has just made the purpose of life so obvious.

IOW those who know as much science as a monkey are little different from that monkey. Monkeys also don't understand that science - therefore don't discover more of god's laws.

9th Engineer · 08-09-2006, 12:20 AM

Well to be honest the science of evolution is 95% carbon dating and material analysis, the rest has the same science content as studying medieval castles. Determining the age of a rock is science, the Theory of Evolution is history. You can test it with genetics, chemistry and biology, but it isn't in any of those fields. You'd be very supprised at how little respect most real scientists have for all but a few scientists who work with evolution, our research grants depend on us keeping that to ourselves though. It's the same thing you see in global warming, scientists on both sides are pressured to say what their employers want to hear because if not 'the other side wins'. I kid you not. It drives the rest of us absolutly nuts.

Honestly, I'd be happier with a good theory of evolution than proof of god, it's more convenient in my line of work. I deal mostly with implants and neural motor prosthesis. Evolution makes sense to me because I can see the next step, we are driven to devolop non-neuron based computational technology because our flesh has hit it's developmental limit. Our brains have an advantage over computers now only because of parallel computing, in terms of processing speed we are no match. The human brain can perform about 20 million billion calculations persecond, our computers now can match about 60% of that. By around 2013 we will be able to replicate the full potential of the human mind, and by 2030 about a million dollars will buy you a computer as powerful as every human on the planet combined. See the pattern? We won't stay competitive for much longer, so will be forced to either fade away or form a sybiosis with our superior counterparts.

Unfortunatly research on linking our nervous system directly into our computers is behind the times, but not by a serious margin. You may have heard of Matt Nagle, in 2001 he was paralysed from the neck down and cannot breath without assistance or talk at all. Thanks to an implant in his neuromotor cortex he can now type, move a mouse, control his wheelchair and move a robotic arm.

Everything in our bodies is simple electrical interaction, all you have to do is isolate it and control it. Our children will probably think nothing of porting their entire consciousness directly into their computers.

Griff · 08-09-2006, 07:58 AM

Doonesbury

RonBurgundy · 08-09-2006, 08:44 AM

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Doonesbury

Excellent cartoon Griff.

KinkyVixen · 08-10-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

blah, blah, blah, snip...
Be like a monkey. That means I will be superior - god's chosen creature. Clearly I was wasting too much time learning god’s laws that are not in the bible. Foolish me. Even monkeys know better – that man cannot even fly. Why do I waste time learning science when everything necessary to know is already in the bible? Even gallstones can be removed by prayer. Why waste time in a hospital consulting someone trained in science? After all, god tells us so. How do we know? He told Pat Robertson. And clearly god wants man to destroy all those other evil religions - for the glory of god.
snip, blah, blah, blah...

Did I say don't learn science? No, actually i'm pretty sure that wasn't what I said. Go back and read. I have an opinion and can state it. I have no idea what you're saying because all you say is relentless BS about the same thing. Doesn't matter, I didn't read enough of what you said to even argue with you. All I said, in more words was, if you're gonna teach one, teach 'em both, or don't act like a 2 year old and expect everyone else to believe your horseshit.

08-07-2006, 10:02 PM	#2
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I live in the KC Metro area. I work in Kansas City, Kansas. I am unhappy as hell that these Right Wing idiots are shoving this tripe into the public education system. They're going to save our souls whether we want them to or not. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

08-08-2006, 09:05 AM	#3
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Is the concept that people go to Bible college to learn about the Bible so foreign to you? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-08-2006, 11:57 AM	#5
KinkyVixen Marching In! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 580	You guys spend an awful lot of time worrying about shit...I for one got tired of listening to the BS about evolution and how evolution was the only thing that brought us here. 'Cause hell, I believe that a big gas explosion caused our hearts to beat and our bodies to be able to house babies...it's just so easy to believe that right? Yeah. Maybe for it's hard for those of you to believe that there is a God and he designed us, because it's harder to prove? Evolution hasn't been proven, not the evolution of man from a tiny organism that got triggered by an explosion, at least not in my eyes. I see how things can evolve, but the evolution of man from an ape? Seriously? Regardless of all that, I don't think I should have to sit in a science class and be taught my teachers view of the world and religion and evolution and be told that if I don't agree with him I will flunk the class. It's ok for him to have his opinion and shove it down my throat (believe it or else), but it's not ok to have my own? Why can't kids be taught both sides, and pick their own? In my opinion it (evolution and intelligent design) shouldn't be taught at all, at least not in school...it should be left at home, like a lot of other issues. __________________ "Smile before bed.You'll sleep better."

08-09-2006, 12:20 AM	#12
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Well to be honest the science of evolution is 95% carbon dating and material analysis, the rest has the same science content as studying medieval castles. Determining the age of a rock is science, the Theory of Evolution is history. You can test it with genetics, chemistry and biology, but it isn't in any of those fields. You'd be very supprised at how little respect most real scientists have for all but a few scientists who work with evolution, our research grants depend on us keeping that to ourselves though. It's the same thing you see in global warming, scientists on both sides are pressured to say what their employers want to hear because if not 'the other side wins'. I kid you not. It drives the rest of us absolutly nuts. Honestly, I'd be happier with a good theory of evolution than proof of god, it's more convenient in my line of work. I deal mostly with implants and neural motor prosthesis. Evolution makes sense to me because I can see the next step, we are driven to devolop non-neuron based computational technology because our flesh has hit it's developmental limit. Our brains have an advantage over computers now only because of parallel computing, in terms of processing speed we are no match. The human brain can perform about 20 million billion calculations persecond, our computers now can match about 60% of that. By around 2013 we will be able to replicate the full potential of the human mind, and by 2030 about a million dollars will buy you a computer as powerful as every human on the planet combined. See the pattern? We won't stay competitive for much longer, so will be forced to either fade away or form a sybiosis with our superior counterparts. Unfortunatly research on linking our nervous system directly into our computers is behind the times, but not by a serious margin. You may have heard of Matt Nagle, in 2001 he was paralysed from the neck down and cannot breath without assistance or talk at all. Thanks to an implant in his neuromotor cortex he can now type, move a mouse, control his wheelchair and move a robotic arm. Everything in our bodies is simple electrical interaction, all you have to do is isolate it and control it. Our children will probably think nothing of porting their entire consciousness directly into their computers. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

08-09-2006, 07:58 AM	#13
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Doonesbury __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-04-2006, 05:03 AM	#1
Hippikos Flocci Non Facio Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In The Line Of Fire Posts: 571	It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. (Groucho Marx)

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