status quo assumed preferable - Page 4

Flint · 04-10-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

sorry bout that, man. i was just pokin fun. you seem
pretty thick skinned.

You were right, I've always loved it when you make humorous observations about me. (They're pretty accurate too!)

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

ps. the ebb/flow comment wasn't directed at you.

I'm glad to hear you say that. Knowing that you know what I know reassures me about you.

Flint · 04-10-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

we are impressed by Texans who have even the minimum of social graces

Believe me, your idea of the typical Texan couldn't possibly be anywhere near as bad as mine, knowing what I know from living here.

Flint · 04-10-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

If states of mind are unknowable through your computer screen maybe you need an upgrade... :-)

:::hmmmph::: I'm trying hard not to like you, but I have to say, if you keep pointing out the obvious holes in my arguments I may develop a little crush on you. Maybe we can have a love/hate relationship? I love how you ridicule my points so effectively.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-10-2006, 09:50 PM

Flint · 04-10-2006, 09:53 PM

@xoxoxoBruce: Your Gonzo quote reminds me of a Hendrix lyric: "white collar conservative flashin' down the street, pointin' their plastic finger at me, they hopin' soon my kind gonna drop an' die, but I'm gonna wave my freak flag high - high - YA!

04-10-2006, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Believe me, your idea of the typical Texan couldn't possibly be anywhere near as bad as mine, knowing what I know from living here.

Actually, my ex sister-in-law lives in San Antonio. When I was still married, we'd drive down to see her and her husband every Christmas. My husband and I would always comment on how nice Texans were in Texas, and wonder what the hell got into them when they left their state.

Beestie · 04-11-2006, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I don't like "lumping" - I value the individual. That was my point.

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Originally Posted by Flint

Believe me, your idea of the typical Texan couldn't possibly be anywhere near as bad as mine, knowing what I know from living here.

tw · 04-11-2006, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Believe me, your idea of the typical Texan couldn't possibly be anywhere near as bad as mine, knowing what I know from living here.

Last time Texans and Coloradians (?) seriously went at it, those Texans took severe losses (in the Civil War). Did those Texan forget - or are today's Texans really 'status quo' Texans?

Flint · 04-11-2006, 09:42 AM

Hello Beetsie! Thank you for taking an interest in my thread. On a side note, it appears your pledge drive for AG was successful! You really should stop by for a congratulatory thread, but, oh, I'm sorry, no new accounts are being verified at AG. Fiddlesticks!

Now, let's consider the qualifying phrase "idea of" - what does this term suggest? A concrete definition or an admission of a subjective obeservation? People will naturally have perceptions, however it is when when an attempt is made to codify these perceptions into an objective factual statement that a problem arises. Hence, qualifying terms like "idea of" are used to avoid this confusion, to careful readers.

Also, while certainly taking into account the subjective nature of these observations, one might conclude that the mean/standard devation of the behavior of a group of people could be better described from a random sample which meets the criteria of approximating a normal distribution.

04-11-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tw

Last time Texans and Coloradians (?) seriously went at it, those Texans took severe losses (in the Civil War). Did those Texan forget - or are today's Texans really 'status quo' Texans?

I think they overlook this, tw. It may not even be taught in Texas schools that Texans went down at the hands of a bunch of grubby homesteaders and fur trappers from up North.

lumberjim · 04-11-2006, 10:16 AM

you should have went with you liking 'the idea of' valuing the individual, and not liking lumping. it would have been more honest, and you woulndt have needed as many circles.

we all lump. everyone does it. it wold be nice to be perfect, and forgiving. but we're not.

Flint · 04-11-2006, 10:20 AM

I can explain it to you, If you need me to do that.

lumberjim · 04-11-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Also, while certainly taking into account the subjective nature of these observations, one might conclude that the mean/standard devation of the behavior of a group of people could be better described from a random sample which meets the criteria of approximating a normal distribution.

I know it must seem like i'm breaking your balls, but this is a 45 word sentence. were you offering to explain this to me? what is there to explain? you didn't say anything. it looked like you were going to, but it kind of fell apart at then end there. are you in politics?

were you trying to say that people are more recognizeable by their differences than their similarities?

Flint · 04-11-2006, 11:11 AM

A sample has to meet certain criteria in order to be used as an estimate on which to base conclusions about the total population. Most importantly it has to be random, and it has to be large enough (the larger the sample size, the closer you get to an accurate approximation of a normal distribution, which is to say the bell curve you would get if you sampled every single member of the total poulation). My basic point here is that while living in Texas I encounter a large and random sample population, which is better suited to approximate a normal distribution than the stated sample of a few drunken vacationers.

This being said, my original post refered to the "idea of the typical Texan" - clearly a subjective observation, not a factual statement.

lumberjim · 04-11-2006, 11:22 AM

so you're saying that the general populous of texas, when taken as a broad sample comports itself less favorably than some drunken vacationers?!

your hole is getting deeper.

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Originally Posted by Flint
Believe me, your idea of the typical Texan couldn't possibly be anywhere near as bad as mine, knowing what I know from living here.

04-10-2006, 09:50 PM	#49
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Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	@xoxoxoBruce: Your Gonzo quote reminds me of a Hendrix lyric: "white collar conservative flashin' down the street, pointin' their plastic finger at me, they hopin' soon my kind gonna drop an' die, but I'm gonna wave my freak flag high - high - YA! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-11-2006, 09:42 AM	#54
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Hello Beetsie! Thank you for taking an interest in my thread. On a side note, it appears your pledge drive for AG was successful! You really should stop by for a congratulatory thread, but, oh, I'm sorry, no new accounts are being verified at AG. Fiddlesticks! Now, let's consider the qualifying phrase "idea of" - what does this term suggest? A concrete definition or an admission of a subjective obeservation? People will naturally have perceptions, however it is when when an attempt is made to codify these perceptions into an objective factual statement that a problem arises. Hence, qualifying terms like "idea of" are used to avoid this confusion, to careful readers. Also, while certainly taking into account the subjective nature of these observations, one might conclude that the mean/standard devation of the behavior of a group of people could be better described from a random sample which meets the criteria of approximating a normal distribution. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-11-2006, 10:16 AM	#56
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	you should have went with you liking 'the idea of' valuing the individual, and not liking lumping. it would have been more honest, and you woulndt have needed as many circles. we all lump. everyone does it. it wold be nice to be perfect, and forgiving. but we're not. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

04-11-2006, 10:20 AM	#57
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I can explain it to you, If you need me to do that. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-11-2006, 11:11 AM	#59
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	A sample has to meet certain criteria in order to be used as an estimate on which to base conclusions about the total population. Most importantly it has to be random, and it has to be large enough (the larger the sample size, the closer you get to an accurate approximation of a normal distribution, which is to say the bell curve you would get if you sampled every single member of the total poulation). My basic point here is that while living in Texas I encounter a large and random sample population, which is better suited to approximate a normal distribution than the stated sample of a few drunken vacationers. This being said, my original post refered to the "idea of the typical Texan" - clearly a subjective observation, not a factual statement. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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