love em or hate em? - Page 4

juju · 02-12-2004, 04:57 PM

I don't even know how old I am anymore. I guess I won't be 28 until the end of this month!

He isn't well-adjusted -- he's admitted to having social anxiety disorder. We can drop it, though. I was just covering my ass. :)

lumberjim · 02-12-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by juju
I don't even know how old I am anymore. I guess I won't be 28 until the end of this month!

He isn't well-adjusted -- he's admitted to having social anxiety disorder. We can drop it, though. I was just covering my ass.

yeah, you should let it drop.

now you've diagnosed him with a disorder? calling dr juju calling dr juju......time for your pills.....

whew.

juju · 02-12-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
just because he didnt spill his heart in response to your seemingly casual and "just being polite" offer of assistance doesn't mean he he thinks your an asshole. i'm not saying he DOESN'T think you're an asshole, but, he didnt snap at you or anything.......so i ask again? speedball? no sleep? hair accross your ass? what gives?

It is a bit arrogant of me. I've got to get over that. The other thing is, the attitude of not wanting to improve oneself really offends me. It's just my personal quirk. I'll get over myself. :)

But I am now 3 minutes late for work, so I must leave. See you all tommorrow!

juju · 02-12-2004, 05:06 PM

I'm pretty sure he's the one that said he had the condition. It was a while back, though.

lumberjim · 02-12-2004, 05:15 PM

6 minutes late now....you'd better hurry

Undertoad · 02-12-2004, 06:11 PM

He's gone now, right?

lumberjim · 02-12-2004, 06:14 PM

yeah...i think it's safe to talk.......

...unless he has access at work?....

oh yeah, no computers at mcdonalds. my bad

just kidding juju, i know it's wendy's

wolf · 02-12-2004, 06:19 PM

He couldn't get work at a major chain restaurant, where early employment leads to bigger and better things (remember the Mickey D's "first job" ads?).

He's at a community based pizza shop, IIRC.

So we can't taunt him by singing "Ding, fries are done!"

Well, I guess we could, but the opportunity isn't quite as ripe if he had been working somewhere with a polyester shirt, hat, and nametag.

Undertoad · 02-12-2004, 06:34 PM

K. I think I was briefly s.a.d., beyond simple shyness, but my bigger problem in life has been panic disorder. However, all of this is mostly historical now, because I take 15 mg of Paxil each day.

Typically, one doesn't admit to such a thing on a public message board. But what the hey. I'll never run for office, right? And if I did, nobody would take all this out of context, right?

The dosage is considered "sub-therapeutic" and the cool thing is, I don't have any side-effects, except that I am usually unable to feel hunger whatsoever. I don't think it has affected my personality in any other way. I still have a complete emotional range.

I feel that my mental health is really improving these days. It turns out that this happens when you leave an unloving marriage. I get the same amount of praise as I got before, the same amount of laughter at my stupid lines, and more affection from my dogs.

Beestie · 02-12-2004, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
I feel that my mental health is really improving these days.

After things went south with your other relationship you started hangin with us more. And lo, you improve! See! Hang out with us clowns, buffoons and misfits and you're all better (by comparison, at least)

xoxoxoBruce · 02-12-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by slang

I know this is off topic but you've said something like this before and it makes no sense to me.

Both in real life and on the cellar, you seem pretty reserved and are normally quite polite and respectful......even to those of us that are not.

People may not instantly click with you but I cant say that any reasonable humanoid would really *dislike* you when they first meet you.

If you were loud and obnoxious or.....I dont know....wore a hat that read "go fuck yourself"* or something offputting one would expect to have people in general not like you. Or at least not be too interested in getting to know you.

The whole notion seems strange to me.

I share your confusion, Slang. Tony is one of the most difficult people to dislike, I've ever met.

OnyxCougar · 02-12-2004, 10:56 PM

Hell, I never met him and I like him. (Not as much as Bruce, tho.)

Shattered Soul · 02-23-2004, 01:42 PM

Hm. Interesting. All these diagnoses flying around, and talk of how "not wanting to improve" oneself pisses some off. Well, it would seem that if an individual were happy with themselves, and their situation, then any ideas for improvement should be something THEY decide, not someone else. Merely because YOU (you, in the general sense) think that there is room for improvement in their lives, or don't think they're living up to their potential, doesn't make it so, and doesn't mean squat.

No one knows, really, what's going on beneath the surface in the lives of others, and thus have no right to say that someone could be doing better. UT could've been agoraphobic at one time, hiding under his bed, refusing to come out even for ice cream with gummi bears on top, and now he's up to just feeling a bit self-conscious now and then (course, I don't know, I'm just making this up as an example

).

Looks like he's doing A-OK to me. He seems to be a pretty groovy guy, at any rate. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-23-2004, 03:03 PM

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Hm. Interesting. All these diagnoses flying around, and talk of how "not wanting to improve" oneself pisses some off.

I think that stems from liking someone and wanting to help. If you don't like them then you just write them off as an asshole and walk away. The fly in the ointment is none of us are qualified to help, except maybe Wolf.

Shattered Soul · 02-23-2004, 04:03 PM

My point was only that if UT, or anyone else, for that matter, is unsatisfied with how their lives are going, they'll say, "YO! Fix me!" Otherwise, if someone's satisfied with how things are going at the time, you should be happy for 'em.

Too often I run across people who presume to make judgements on the lives of others, saying that they're not living up to their potential, or that they're wasting their lives, or that they need to do this or that, merely because the individual they're speaking of is not where the speaker thinks they ought to be. It may come out of concern for said person, or it may come out of a desire to feel superior on the part of the person making the observation. Either way, it usually ends up with the accused slacker getting pissed off and/or defensive.

If people think that there are things in their lives that need fixing, they'll either ask for help, or fix it on their own (if it bothers them that much). If it doesn't bug them, then no amount of advice or therapy will make them change.

Don't get me wrong. When it comes to things that affect other people adversely, like schizophrenia or other organic brain problems, sometimes it's necessary to take a hand. But if it's just something like a social phobia, or working at Burger King when you have a college degree, it's really nobody's place to fix you unless you ask them to. And telling them about it isn't the same as asking for help.

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02-12-2004, 05:15 PM	#50
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	6 minutes late now....you'd better hurry __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-12-2004, 06:14 PM	#52
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	yeah...i think it's safe to talk....... ...unless he has access at work?.... oh yeah, no computers at mcdonalds. my bad just kidding juju, i know it's wendy's __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-12-2004, 06:19 PM	#53
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	He couldn't get work at a major chain restaurant, where early employment leads to bigger and better things (remember the Mickey D's "first job" ads?). He's at a community based pizza shop, IIRC. So we can't taunt him by singing "Ding, fries are done!" Well, I guess we could, but the opportunity isn't quite as ripe if he had been working somewhere with a polyester shirt, hat, and nametag. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-23-2004, 01:42 PM	#58
Shattered Soul Shuttered and locked Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 97	Hm. Interesting. All these diagnoses flying around, and talk of how "not wanting to improve" oneself pisses some off. Well, it would seem that if an individual were happy with themselves, and their situation, then any ideas for improvement should be something THEY decide, not someone else. Merely because YOU (you, in the general sense) think that there is room for improvement in their lives, or don't think they're living up to their potential, doesn't make it so, and doesn't mean squat. No one knows, really, what's going on beneath the surface in the lives of others, and thus have no right to say that someone could be doing better. UT could've been agoraphobic at one time, hiding under his bed, refusing to come out even for ice cream with gummi bears on top, and now he's up to just feeling a bit self-conscious now and then (course, I don't know, I'm just making this up as an example ). Looks like he's doing A-OK to me. He seems to be a pretty groovy guy, at any rate. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. __________________ I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad...the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had....

02-12-2004, 04:57 PM	#46
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I don't even know how old I am anymore. I guess I won't be 28 until the end of this month! He isn't well-adjusted -- he's admitted to having social anxiety disorder. We can drop it, though. I was just covering my ass. :)

02-12-2004, 05:06 PM	#49
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I'm pretty sure he's the one that said he had the condition. It was a while back, though.

02-12-2004, 06:11 PM	#51
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	He's gone now, right?

02-12-2004, 06:34 PM	#54
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	K. I think I was briefly s.a.d., beyond simple shyness, but my bigger problem in life has been panic disorder. However, all of this is mostly historical now, because I take 15 mg of Paxil each day. Typically, one doesn't admit to such a thing on a public message board. But what the hey. I'll never run for office, right? And if I did, nobody would take all this out of context, right? The dosage is considered "sub-therapeutic" and the cool thing is, I don't have any side-effects, except that I am usually unable to feel hunger whatsoever. I don't think it has affected my personality in any other way. I still have a complete emotional range. I feel that my mental health is really improving these days. It turns out that this happens when you leave an unloving marriage. I get the same amount of praise as I got before, the same amount of laughter at my stupid lines, and more affection from my dogs.

02-12-2004, 10:56 PM	#57
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Hell, I never met him and I like him. (Not as much as Bruce, tho.)

02-23-2004, 04:03 PM	#60
Shattered Soul Shuttered and locked Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 97	My point was only that if UT, or anyone else, for that matter, is unsatisfied with how their lives are going, they'll say, "YO! Fix me!" Otherwise, if someone's satisfied with how things are going at the time, you should be happy for 'em. Too often I run across people who presume to make judgements on the lives of others, saying that they're not living up to their potential, or that they're wasting their lives, or that they need to do this or that, merely because the individual they're speaking of is not where the speaker thinks they ought to be. It may come out of concern for said person, or it may come out of a desire to feel superior on the part of the person making the observation. Either way, it usually ends up with the accused slacker getting pissed off and/or defensive. If people think that there are things in their lives that need fixing, they'll either ask for help, or fix it on their own (if it bothers them that much). If it doesn't bug them, then no amount of advice or therapy will make them change. Don't get me wrong. When it comes to things that affect other people adversely, like schizophrenia or other organic brain problems, sometimes it's necessary to take a hand. But if it's just something like a social phobia, or working at Burger King when you have a college degree, it's really nobody's place to fix you unless you ask them to. And telling them about it isn't the same as asking for help. __________________ I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad...the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had....

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