Homosexuality: Choice or Chance? - Page 4

mrnoodle · 10-07-2006, 10:27 AM

dude, it's 9:20 on saturday morning, and there are 3 of us - flint, spexxvet, and me -- reading the cellar. we should all go outside and play catch.

Spexxvet · 10-07-2006, 10:44 AM

Bri is here, too, I think. I'm at work and there's no doctor, so few patients.

Undertoad · 10-07-2006, 11:11 AM

Yo

mrnoodle · 10-07-2006, 11:57 AM

so you guys wanna play catch?

actually nvm i have to mow

Griff · 10-07-2006, 12:23 PM

*cough* I only pitch... you can catch if you want to.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-07-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

Big snip of logical thinking~
Why would he put himself through all of that if he could take the easy way out and be with a girl?
~snip of more logical thinking

Easy way out? Have you seen the divorce rate? And they're just the ones that got tired of fighting.

No, I'm really not that cynical yet. I just couldn't resist.

10-07-2006, 08:44 PM

Gay couples can be just as mean to each other as straights. At least they don't have to go thru all that legal BS a divorce usually involves. They should be grateful gay marriages are outlawed.

Happy Monkey · 10-07-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

I believe that it is a matter of choice. Very few elements of human behavior are truly hardwired. It's not like animal behavior, such as a cat grooming itself with it's tongue, or chasing mice. Cats do these things even if they haven't had significant contact with other cats throughout their lives.

And just like gay "cure" programs, you could train a cat not to do either one of those things. That doesn't mean it isn't hardwired that they do it.

MaggieL · 10-07-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Any number of things can make you horny, but you can't blame your proclivities on biology unless they fit into the framework of the reproductive urge.

You seem certain that individual reproduction always has overall positive survival value, and that sexual behavior has no function besides reproduction.

I have doubts about both points.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-07-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

Gay couples can be just as mean to each other as straights. At least they don't have to go thru all that legal BS a divorce usually involves. They should be grateful gay marriages are outlawed.

Yes, I suggested once before the best tactic to convince the anti queer marriage people to change their mind, is put a bug in their ear about queers are getting away with not paying divorce lawyers and the subsequent crap of divorce. They aren't suffering enough, they have it easy. Doesn't have to be true, how would they know? That will create so many conflicting thoughts in the antis, they might explode.

9th Engineer · 10-08-2006, 10:40 AM

Humans have very, very few truly 'hardwired' behaviors, and none that exist past the first 12-36 months. Babies are hardwired to suckle and you could say that putting things in their mouths is also hardwired (at that point you rely on taste and the dense nerve bundles in your mouth to tell what's what). Past that stage we operate on more complicated impulses and urges, which is why we expect 2-3 year olds to start exhibiting self control over their actions. The idea that any adult does things purely based on predetermined factors is complete nonsence and is just something made up by defence lawers that have been backed against a fence. The chronic cheater who says he can't help it because he has no way to control his urges and must indulge himself is a good poster boy for this school of thought. In the end we control not only our behavior, but also our desires.

ashke · 10-08-2006, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes, I suggested once before the best tactic to convince the anti queer marriage people to change their mind, is put a bug in their ear about queers are getting away with not paying divorce lawyers and the subsequent crap of divorce. They aren't suffering enough, they have it easy. Doesn't have to be true, how would they know? That will create so many conflicting thoughts in the antis, they might explode.

ROFL!

Bruce, you are a funny man!

Brett's Honey · 10-08-2006, 11:16 AM

The fact that a lot of young - junior and high school age - kids, girls mostly, it seems - "experiment" with same-sex relationships for a while, and then go on to have heterosexual relationships suggest to me that it is probably a choice.

Bullitt · 10-08-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

In the end we control not only our behavior, but also our desires.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1886018,00.html
Sometimes we are not in complete control of our desires

xoxoxoBruce · 10-08-2006, 12:13 PM

I'll buy that, Bullitt. But I also believe the control we exercise is directly proportional to the severity of the consequences for making a bad choice.

I think that's why were better at making good choices for things that have an immediate, or short term, effect and not so good on long range choices.
If I eat that cake Mom will kill me, is easy to resist.
If I eat that cake I won't look good in my speedo next summer, is tougher.
If I eat that cake I'll have cholesterol problems in 40 years, is very, very tough.

10-07-2006, 10:27 AM	#46
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	dude, it's 9:20 on saturday morning, and there are 3 of us - flint, spexxvet, and me -- reading the cellar. we should all go outside and play catch. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-07-2006, 10:44 AM	#47
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Bri is here, too, I think. I'm at work and there's no doctor, so few patients. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

10-07-2006, 11:57 AM	#49
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	so you guys wanna play catch? actually nvm i have to mow __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-07-2006, 12:23 PM	#50
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	cough I only pitch... you can catch if you want to. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-08-2006, 10:40 AM	#56
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Humans have very, very few truly 'hardwired' behaviors, and none that exist past the first 12-36 months. Babies are hardwired to suckle and you could say that putting things in their mouths is also hardwired (at that point you rely on taste and the dense nerve bundles in your mouth to tell what's what). Past that stage we operate on more complicated impulses and urges, which is why we expect 2-3 year olds to start exhibiting self control over their actions. The idea that any adult does things purely based on predetermined factors is complete nonsence and is just something made up by defence lawers that have been backed against a fence. The chronic cheater who says he can't help it because he has no way to control his urges and must indulge himself is a good poster boy for this school of thought. In the end we control not only our behavior, but also our desires. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

10-07-2006, 11:11 AM	#48
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yo

10-07-2006, 08:44 PM	#52
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Gay couples can be just as mean to each other as straights. At least they don't have to go thru all that legal BS a divorce usually involves. They should be grateful gay marriages are outlawed.

10-08-2006, 11:16 AM	#58
Brett's Honey whatever Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 308	The fact that a lot of young - junior and high school age - kids, girls mostly, it seems - "experiment" with same-sex relationships for a while, and then go on to have heterosexual relationships suggest to me that it is probably a choice.

10-08-2006, 12:13 PM	#60
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I'll buy that, Bullitt. But I also believe the control we exercise is directly proportional to the severity of the consequences for making a bad choice. I think that's why were better at making good choices for things that have an immediate, or short term, effect and not so good on long range choices. If I eat that cake Mom will kill me, is easy to resist. If I eat that cake I won't look good in my speedo next summer, is tougher. If I eat that cake I'll have cholesterol problems in 40 years, is very, very tough. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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