Politics is the new Religion - Page 4

sexobon · 07-09-2020, 09:25 PM

Advancement is in the eye of the beholder. Different accomplishments make different people happy.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-09-2020, 10:58 PM

Not dominate just firmly control.

tw · 07-10-2020, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sexobon

Advancement is in the eye of the beholder.

So Hitler advanced mankind? Where did mankind advance to?

Griff · 07-10-2020, 07:46 AM

Across France and part-way through Russia?

sexobon · 07-11-2020, 03:28 PM

You're delusional with fear. You see extremists everywhere. Your paranoia gives rise to Stockholm Syndrome and you become the extremist. Then you engage in psychological projection secondary to your emotional defects and accuse others of being what you've become.

It's so obvious; but, you never get the obvious and end up being the only one believing what you say. It's not your fault tw. You've articulated how your father tried to kill Americans and that messed up your mind. TW, YOU ARE NOT YOUR FATHER. Alas, the damage is done and you shall remain forever impaired. Be consoled by the fact that here you are understood and we appreciate the entertainment you provide.

PS: You'd be happier if you'd stop being so defensive. Defensiveness is for losers.

Luce · 07-13-2020, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sexobon

You're delusional with fear. You see extremists everywhere. Your paranoia gives rise to Stockholm Syndrome and you become the extremist. Then you engage in psychological projection secondary to your emotional defects and accuse others of being what you've become.

It's so obvious; but, you never get the obvious and end up being the only one believing what you say. It's not your fault tw. You've articulated how your father tried to kill Americans and that messed up your mind. TW, YOU ARE NOT YOUR FATHER. Alas, the damage is done and you shall remain forever impaired. Be consoled by the fact that here you are understood and we appreciate the entertainment you provide.

PS: You'd be happier if you'd stop being so defensive. Defensiveness is for losers.

Gas lighting ain't what it used to be.

tw · 07-13-2020, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon

You see extremists everywhere.

You are not everywhere. Lying but again.

sexobon · 07-13-2020, 04:39 PM

I know, right? It used to be all one word.

sexobon · 07-14-2020, 04:11 PM

Am not, I'm sitting up.

tw · 07-15-2020, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sexobon

Am not, I'm sitting up.

Always up and moving? You must be a progressive.

Is that also a religion?

Griff · 07-31-2020, 07:11 AM

https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/new-...pandemic-57514

A little more surprising, we found that Americans who are more religious (attend service more often, pray more often, feel religion is more important) seemed to engage in precautionary behaviors more frequently. In fact, once we accounted for Christian nationalist ideology in our models, being more religious was the leading predictor that someone frequently engaged in precautionary behaviors.

This suggests to us that polls are getting it wrong if they show Americans who are “more religious” are behaving incautiously regarding COVID-19. It’s not “religiousness” per se that’s leading Americans to resist expert recommendations to curb the spread of disease. It’s Christian nationalist ideology and all that’s associated with it.

glatt · 07-31-2020, 03:01 PM

Christian nationalism was a new term to me. No idea what it meant.
From the article, "Christian nationalism by definition includes the idea that God has a special place in his heart for America, his New Israel."

So it's a patriotism, 'Merica, kind of attitude. USA, USA, USA, God bless the USA! kind of thing.

Not so much of a Christian "love your neighbor" kind of thing.

Griff · 07-31-2020, 03:21 PM

Yeah, it's tribal. That would explain why things we take for granted as Christian values are not represented by these folks. It must be particularly distressing for actual practicing Christians to share a pew with folks who seem to relish otherizing and hate.

It is maybe unfair to call out groups of Christians when it is a vocal minority who've lost their way.

richlevy · 10-04-2020, 05:21 PM

Back to the original topic. Religion and politics have always been intertwined. Nowhere was this more apparent than in the reformation and the counter Reformation in Europe. Greed and power mixed with religion created hundreds of years of conflict. This is part of the reason that Europeans are generally cooler towards religion than other regions and why our founding fathers, while espousing freedom of religion also declared separation of church and state.

Religious organizations strive for survival as much as any other organism and as such make what our objectively immoral decisions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...rds-holocaust/

Others are drawn to power and make what are not necessary but for them desirable accommodations with evil.

This was characterized by the split indeed German Evangelical movement between pro-Hitler and core religious churches. A schism that seems to be repeating itself today in the United States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conf...Reich%20Church

Who's who do not remember history of deemed to repeat it.

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Undertoad · 10-04-2020, 05:52 PM

my original point from 2016 was not that religion and politics are intertwined, but that politics is replacing religion as a source of spiritual fulfillment for people

so this year we had a movement which offered spiritual redemption, moral instruction, kneeling and chants, original sin and the confession of it, fellowship and excommunication, the pursuit of a perfect state of being, rigidly enforced guidelines for behavior, and martyr worship.

~ but perhaps all that is by chance ~

07-09-2020, 10:58 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Not dominate just firmly control. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-10-2020, 07:46 AM	#4
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Across France and part-way through Russia? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-31-2020, 07:11 AM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/new-...pandemic-57514 A little more surprising, we found that Americans who are more religious (attend service more often, pray more often, feel religion is more important) seemed to engage in precautionary behaviors more frequently. In fact, once we accounted for Christian nationalist ideology in our models, being more religious was the leading predictor that someone frequently engaged in precautionary behaviors. This suggests to us that polls are getting it wrong if they show Americans who are “more religious” are behaving incautiously regarding COVID-19. It’s not “religiousness” per se that’s leading Americans to resist expert recommendations to curb the spread of disease. It’s Christian nationalist ideology and all that’s associated with it. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-31-2020, 03:21 PM	#13
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Yeah, it's tribal. That would explain why things we take for granted as Christian values are not represented by these folks. It must be particularly distressing for actual practicing Christians to share a pew with folks who seem to relish otherizing and hate. It is maybe unfair to call out groups of Christians when it is a vocal minority who've lost their way. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-04-2020, 05:21 PM	#14
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Back to the original topic. Religion and politics have always been intertwined. Nowhere was this more apparent than in the reformation and the counter Reformation in Europe. Greed and power mixed with religion created hundreds of years of conflict. This is part of the reason that Europeans are generally cooler towards religion than other regions and why our founding fathers, while espousing freedom of religion also declared separation of church and state. Religious organizations strive for survival as much as any other organism and as such make what our objectively immoral decisions. https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...rds-holocaust/ Others are drawn to power and make what are not necessary but for them desirable accommodations with evil. This was characterized by the split indeed German Evangelical movement between pro-Hitler and core religious churches. A schism that seems to be repeating itself today in the United States. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conf...Reich%20Church Who's who do not remember history of deemed to repeat it. Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

07-09-2020, 09:25 PM	#1
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Advancement is in the eye of the beholder. Different accomplishments make different people happy.

07-11-2020, 03:28 PM	#5
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	You're delusional with fear. You see extremists everywhere. Your paranoia gives rise to Stockholm Syndrome and you become the extremist. Then you engage in psychological projection secondary to your emotional defects and accuse others of being what you've become. It's so obvious; but, you never get the obvious and end up being the only one believing what you say. It's not your fault tw. You've articulated how your father tried to kill Americans and that messed up your mind. TW, YOU ARE NOT YOUR FATHER. Alas, the damage is done and you shall remain forever impaired. Be consoled by the fact that here you are understood and we appreciate the entertainment you provide. PS: You'd be happier if you'd stop being so defensive. Defensiveness is for losers.

07-13-2020, 04:39 PM	#8
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	I know, right? It used to be all one word.

07-14-2020, 04:11 PM	#9
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Am not, I'm sitting up.

07-31-2020, 03:01 PM	#12
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Christian nationalism was a new term to me. No idea what it meant. From the article, "Christian nationalism by definition includes the idea that God has a special place in his heart for America, his New Israel." So it's a patriotism, 'Merica, kind of attitude. USA, USA, USA, God bless the USA! kind of thing. Not so much of a Christian "love your neighbor" kind of thing.

10-04-2020, 05:52 PM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	my original point from 2016 was not that religion and politics are intertwined, but that politics is replacing religion as a source of spiritual fulfillment for people so this year we had a movement which offered spiritual redemption, moral instruction, kneeling and chants, original sin and the confession of it, fellowship and excommunication, the pursuit of a perfect state of being, rigidly enforced guidelines for behavior, and martyr worship. ~ but perhaps all that is by chance ~

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