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Old 08-14-2019, 09:28 PM   #1
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Solid. The main riff is just one of those signature riffs. It announces itself.

I would like to hear the song produced with less slickness, what that would be like.

Speaking of snares doing their job, I was walking through the supermarket the other day, yes Wegman's, and this snare was hitting me in the face (forward to 0:30):



They don't let that snare ring at all, in a mix where everything is reverbed out.
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Old 08-17-2019, 05:36 PM   #2
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Speaking of snares doing their job, I was walking through the supermarket the other day, yes Wegman's, and this snare was hitting me in the face (forward to 0:30):



They don't let that snare ring at all, in a mix where everything is reverbed out.
I started getting into that super dry snare sound recently, like Nate Smith here. A folded up piece of fabric is *completely different* from taping up your head. Fabric weighs down the head, de-tuning it. And fabric can also bounce off the head, acting as a kind of gated muffling (it is NOT "choked"). The main thing about Nate Smith though, is the single-handed 16th note technique, which I really woodshedded after watching videos of his playing.


Now, here's another "grunge era" jewel. Check out the bass parts on this blazing-hot track-- really forward in the mix on the turnaround, and takes the perceptual "lead" around 2 minutes. As I've gotten older, I've noticed these type of songs where the bass guitar part is absolutely essential, and absolutely what you "hear" as the "how the song goes."
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Old 08-30-2019, 03:00 PM   #3
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Speaking of snares doing their job, ...
Wanna get your dick knocked off by a snare drum, listen to the album version of the Eagles-- I Can't Tell You Why. ( can't find a copy on YouTube )

That snare drum sounds like it will move your woofer cone.
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Old 08-30-2019, 03:12 PM   #4
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A little digging and people seem to think Don Henley was using a Ludwig 402 Supraphonic. That's a 14" x 6.5" in chrome-plated aluminum.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:34 PM   #5
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I had to admit that A) oh no, my age group has finally become the target demographic in the supermarket, and B) oh no, this song may be way better than I've ever given it the credit for being. Earworm inbound

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Old 08-15-2019, 01:04 AM   #6
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I usually hit Wegmans between 3 and 5 AM, I wonder if the soundtrack is different for the night shift?
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:59 PM   #7
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Re: Jefferson Starship & Miracles

I just can't believe I never picked up that that was them.

Also, the Barry White...

That cowbell stands out just like the snare. That is a cowbell I'm hearing, ain't it not?
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:37 PM   #8
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Either a cowbell or a woodblock - I think woodblock - and there's another pair of percussive sticks in there clicking away, too.
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:34 PM   #9
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I have to feel this is Geddy's legacy, and also Entwhistle's, the idea that the bass actually provides the meat of the song. Geddy's Jazz bass, and Ox's Alembic, are known for their "growl" rather than their "thump". It does mean there is less groove available.
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Old 08-18-2019, 05:28 PM   #10
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I don't know what Chris Squire played, but I'd count him in that. Probably "most likely that if you're whistling the song, you're whistling the bass part"
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Old 08-18-2019, 05:50 PM   #11
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Yes... a Rickenbacker 4001, very much its own sound, but again on the growl rather than thump side of things. Geddy also played one on the early albums.
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Old 08-18-2019, 08:32 PM   #12
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I don't know that I'd call this a worn, but there is analytical discussion of music happening right now, and I want to know what uberchoad and flintbergers think about this new tool song.



First pass, I was meh... But then after doing some pottery the the next night, I found myself enthralled with the drums. Hypnotic kind of... But then there's these segments that I really don't like where the vocals distract me... The first part where they chant - sing... 3:15....And then another part later around 7:38 there is a kind of chorus that is a little rah rah and I get shook out of my groove.

Only a little while until the rest of the album gets released....
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Old 08-18-2019, 11:27 PM   #13
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To do that we'd have to fully absorb it, this could take a few weeks
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Old 08-19-2019, 12:40 AM   #14
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We waited 13 years for this album. A few weeks sounds fine.

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Old 08-20-2019, 04:26 PM   #15
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That song is very, very Tool.

I like. Like a lot of Tool's stuff.

I could've ID'd it as Tool right when the drums came in.
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