Vaccination & epidemic

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Is there any difference between what you would say/do next now, as opposed to what you would have said two years ago?

There is, a bit. I'm not sure if you picked an auto-immune disease on purpose, but my understanding of auto-immune diseases specifically has changed pretty dramatically. The short answer is yes, I would eventually take the drugs to alleviate the symptoms, after I first attempted to fix the underlying problem through some treatments I wouldn't have known about two years ago.

It's actually a close parallel to how I feel about traditional autism therapies. They are great tools to help heal the wound, but the biomedical treatments take the knife out. Do that first, and the therapies (i.e. symptom treatment) are going to be that much more effective.

[Spexxvet]

Another 22 children died from the flu this past week, at least 19 of them confirmed to be H1N1

Damned if you do, damned if you don't (possibly).

[glatt]

Funny thing to say, "at least 19 confirmed." It sounds like there were 19 confirmed, and maybe some others were also H1N1, but hadn't been confirmed.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by glatt

Funny thing to say, "at least 19 confirmed." It sounds like there were 19 confirmed, and maybe some others were also H1N1, but hadn't been confirmed.

Some deaths might be from the regular flu. Some might be from pneumonia, which seems to get hold of people when their lungs are compromised by H1N1.

[Clodfobble]

Here's an example of the stupid shit that gets research funding while the obvious avenues go unexplored.


I received an invitation today to participate in a study. They want to know if I have any home video footage of my autistic children, under the age of six months, that happens to show them crying or fussing. Because they're going to get a bunch of people in a room and see if they can isolate a difference in the sound of the cries of future-autistic babies and ones that turned out normal.

Let's even pretend for a moment that it's not stupid on its face. Say they do happen to find some completely unexpected, subtle difference in these babies' cries. This information will be diagnostically useless. How do you train every pediatrician in the country to discern the auditory difference? If your pediatrician is tone deaf, are they no longer qualified to be a pediatrician? Maybe it will become standard practice to record 5-10 seconds of crying at every baby's 4-month checkup, and then we can just send the millions of mp3s over to India for faster processing?

They're running out of ways to try and prove the autism was always secretly there from the beginning, and this is apparently what they have left to spend their money on.

[xoxoxoBruce]

But what if they play in backwards... at 78 rpm?

[Undertoad]

Generation Rescue has put up an alternate Desiree Jennings page.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Here's an example of the stupid shit that gets research funding while the obvious avenues go unexplored.


I received an invitation today to participate in a study. They want to know if I have any home video footage of my autistic children, under the age of six months, that happens to show them crying or fussing. Because they're going to get a bunch of people in a room and see if they can isolate a difference in the sound of the cries of future-autistic babies and ones that turned out normal.

Let's even pretend for a moment that it's not stupid on its face. Say they do happen to find some completely unexpected, subtle difference in these babies' cries. This information will be diagnostically useless. How do you train every pediatrician in the country to discern the auditory difference? If your pediatrician is tone deaf, are they no longer qualified to be a pediatrician? Maybe it will become standard practice to record 5-10 seconds of crying at every baby's 4-month checkup, and then we can just send the millions of mp3s over to India for faster processing?

They're running out of ways to try and prove the autism was always secretly there from the beginning, and this is apparently what they have left to spend their money on.

This has probably been answered before, but are most autistic children born that way or do they become autistic because of some outside assault on brain function, i.e. flu shots or what have you?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Here's an example of the stupid shit that gets research funding while the obvious avenues go unexplored.

Because a doctor will not hear the difference, then we should remain ignorant. You are confusing fundamental research with application research. Fundamental research only determines relationships, facts, and concepts. Makes no effort to make any of it useful. That is why the laser, transistors, satellites, and Unix were developed. Nobody had a clue what practical applications these would eventually have.

Application research later takes that new knowledge to ring something useful from it. The minute one combines application and fundamental together in a conclusion, as you have done (ie "How do you train every pediatrician in the country to discern the auditory difference?"), then research is stifled.

Shameful are the so many who 'know' what causes autism only because they ‘feel’. The same "I love to screw the world" logic that also proved Saddam's WMDs. We are supposed to have learned from that history how to think logically. Blaming autism on vaccines has been demonstrated to be from the same mindset that proved Saddam's WMDs: "I feel, therefore it must be true."

Electricity leaking from electrical receptacles also causes arthritis. Same logic that so many believed 100 years ago - therefore it was true.

Electricity also causes childhood leukemia. Also proven by the same hearsay.

[Clodfobble]

Hey tw? I'm not going to discuss this topic with you. Just so you know. Your discussion style is harmless and amusing most of the time, but this is not one of those times for me.

Originally Posted by SamIAm

This has probably been answered before, but are most autistic children born that way or do they become autistic because of some outside assault on brain function, i.e. flu shots or what have you?

That's the whole debate. Two very opposed sides, and one side has a lot more research funding, but neither has been able to definitively prove anything to the other's acceptance.

A small handful (approximately 5-10%) have been identified as having a provable, genetic link--those who are afflicted with Fragile X Syndrome, for example, which can present with autistic symptoms. The understanding is that these account for the cases of autism that were seen in past decades, as the rate of Fragile X in the population has held steady. But the rest have been statistically ruled-out as not having those genes.

[Undertoad]

http://www.examiner.com/x-13791-Balt...to-flu-vaccine

Desiree Jennings' case has found its way into the VAERS database, in which all (known) adverse effects of vaccines are cataloged.

The admitting neurologist felt that there was a strong psychogenic component to the symptomology

Remember, Desiree can tell the media whatever she wants. The original diagnosing physicians aren't going to discuss it. Why: they could lose their license. They're prohibited by medical privacy laws.

[Undertoad]

Desiree immediately much better after chelation therapy



Desiree has own website

The treatments with Dr. Buttar at the Center for Advanced Medicine and Clinical Research in Charlotte, NC are working, and the results are nothing short of amazing. Jennings can now walk and talk normally throughout the vast majority of the day and the seizures/convulsions have significantly decreased. Although her full recovery will take an undetermined amount of time, her family is now for the first time, convinced she will make a complete recovery. She is now more than ever, driven by a desire to educate others to be informed of the potential side effects caused by vaccines and prevent others from suffering a similar fate.

[Undertoad]

Neurologica blog interprets:

But, unknowingly, Dr. Buttar was about to administer what can be considered a significant test of the hypothesis that Jennings’ symptoms are psychogenic. One test we can use to help confirm this diagnosis is to see if the patient’s symptoms can respond to psychological treatments or to medical treatments that should not otherwise be capable of reversing the symptoms. A response that is too quick to be plausible, for example, is one type of response that supports a psychogenic diagnosis. One dramatic example from my own experience was a patient with apparently psychogenic symptoms who believed that he needed a specific IV medication as a treatment. After extensive negative workup, we agreed to give him the treatment, and his symptoms completely resolved even before the medicine had a chance to work its way through the IV tubing and into his arm.

If Jennings really had dystonia or any biological brain injury from toxicity, removing the toxin might prevent further progression and allow the slow process of recovery to begin. But brain damage does not immediately reverse itself once the cause is removed. It is possible for dystonia to be a side effect of certain medications, and it can immediately resolve once that medication is stopped or reversed. But in that situation we are dealing with an effect of an active blood level of a pharmaceutical agent – something which is inherently reversible. We are not dealing with damage or injury.
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However, now Jennings herself, and Dr. Buttar, report that Jennings began to improve while still sitting in the chair and receiving her chelation therapy, and within 36 hours her symptoms were completely gone. First, let me say that I am very happy Ms. Jennings’ symptoms have resolved. Hopefully now she can just go on with her life. But to me, this impossibly rapid recovery is a dramatic confirmation that her symptoms were psychogenic to begin with. It is simply implausible that brain injury from mercury toxicity could be reversed so quickly – especially when you consider that Dr. Buttar had Jennings at death’s door.

[Clodfobble]

I find the speed of her treatment to be pretty implausible, too. Usually chelation is a long process and requires repeated treatments. I've seen kids improve a surprising amount with just a single chelation treatment, but for Christ's sake, you at least have to pee first.

[jinx]

So where are all the people who helped her plan this, like with the Heene's? They're gonna miss their 15 mins if they don't hurry up...