Men Abortion and Choice

[DanaC]

Umm...the post where you accused Cicero of tailposting springs immediately to mind. She (quite fairly and reasonably) moved a discussion from another thread which had veered off into the abortion debate over to here: a thread about abortion. Your response was an outright and unneccesary attack.

rk, just because people disagree with you does not make them stalkers. Nor does it constitute an attack. You made an outrageous statement about Dyslexia being indicative of intelligence. I posted in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek manner that my bullshit detector had gone off and explained why you were incorrect in your assertion. Your response? to attack me for even having joined in the conversation and accuse me of ....I'm not quite sure what, I guess ganging up on you.
For the record: I did not respond to your comment because it was you who made it. I responded to your comment because it was about dyslexia and I have done a little work in that field. You say that dyslexics are intelligent, i say yes, some of them are. Some of them are not. There's no way to be entirely sure, but I would suspect given what evidence there is, that the proportions are no different than in the rest of the population.

Out of a class of 25-30 adult, basic-skills students I could reasonably expect at least 10 of them to exhibit symptoms and characteristics of dyslexia. Whether they were all in fact dyslexic, I have no way of knowing without conducting dyslexia tests on them, which I am not qualified to do. Undiagnosed dyslexia is thought by many in the field to account for a large proportion of the destructive life-patterns of many young, male criminals, currently in jail. The proportions of male prisoners who are functionally illiterate is close to fifty percent. Of those a significant proportion are likely to be dyslexic. Up until the last twenty years the vast majority of dyslexics either found their own coping strategies which worked, or were left behind and labelled 'stupid'. A very high proportion of my older students displayed dyslexic characteristics, far higher than amongst the younger students (25-30).

The fact that you have a long list of very clever, very creative people with dyslexia tells us nothing, other than that dyslexia need not disable someone from participating in literary, academic, or creative pursuits. I can find you a similar list of very clever, very creative people who are not dyslexic.

Now. I haven't returned to this topic because I hate you, wish to stalk you, wish you ill, or enjoy getting a rise out of you. I have returned to it, because you are barking up entirely the wrong tree, and it happens to be a tree I'm quite fond of.

[lookout123]

don't worry Rage, i've got it covered for you.

Dana, you're a stalker. i don't care what you think.

[Pie]

Dyslexia is a disease of the intelligent, because:
- If you're intelligent, they'll call you 'dyslexic'
- If you're not intelligent, they'll call you 'dumb'

Your response was an outright and unneccesary attack

In no way was it an attack, it was an accurate description of what she was doing, rehashing a topic that had been previously exhausted, ad-naseum, previously in the thread... a thread she had not read.
Yes, she had been invited, how does that precode reading it?

I stated dyslexia can occur in any intelligence range, clearly and concisely. Two posts later. You must have missed that one. Please, go check it out.

I'm glad you are better at diagnosing me over the net than the professionals that have in person, more than once... you are truly skilled!

Now. I haven't returned to this topic because I hate you, wish to stalk you, wish you ill, or enjoy getting a rise out of you. I have returned to it, because you are barking up entirely the wrong tree, and it happens to be a tree I'm quite fond of.

Actually, you have returned and posted an extensive and factually incorrect attack.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

In no way was it an attack, it was an accurate description of what she was doing, rehashing a topic that had been previously exhausted, ad-naseum, previously in the thread... a thread she had not read.
Yes, she had been invited, how does that precode reading it?

I stated dyslexia can occur in any intelligence range, clearly and concisely. Two posts later. You must have missed that one. Please, go check it out.

I'm glad you are better at diagnosing me over the net than the professionals that have in person, more than once... you are truly skilled!


Actually, you have returned and posted an extensive and factually incorrect attack.

This thread. RK. This thread that I didn't even read....Did I read this right?

#341
My joke wasn't that funny but you took the opportunity to call me a"sexist".
There are other examples...I'm just tired of the arguement....Done. I'm just done with it.



I'm working on being more polite, everywhere. I'm trying to visualize how I act and how I normally treat people to their faces...So the same will apply here from now on....
You also don't know that I did a fair amount of research on the topic of sexism. I had to reverse my opinion after a period of intense study, and a couple of specious essays that I received a perfect score on. It was going to be a book, it was going so well. I had an epiphany about the said topic and had to dump my former ideas, and the idea of a book as well. I am probably the least sexist person I know, because I am very sensitive to it and unlike most people, (because they are normal and I am crazy over the topic) I actually recognize when I'm ascribing to it, and stop myself. Like most of your insults- that one just doesn't fly and you could never understand the depths of how wrong your impressions are about it.

So- I'm not going to argue. Hope you are having a good one and there's no need to even respond to what I've written here if you would like to continue in this vein.....
I read too much Epictetus this weekend and I am giving up inflammatory arguements and trading them in for good debates. There's just no good, in any sense of the word, that can come from it. I've been pretty petty here lately, as I have been bated and took the hook almost every time.
So...
I hope you are having a good day and if you aren't...find a way to make that happen!


Off topic and I don't care:
SamIam can be proud now that I am going to utilize the good stuff I read again. You win. (Sam)


I hope Dana was just refering to me.

Originally Posted by Cicero

This thread. RK. This thread that I didn't even read....Did I read this right?

#341
My joke wasn't that funny but you took the opportunity to call me a"sexist".
There are other examples...I'm just tired of the arguement....Done. I'm just done with it.



I'm working on being more polite, everywhere. I'm trying to visualize how I act and how I normally treat people to their faces...So the same will apply here from now on....
You also don't know that I did a fair amount of research on the topic of sexism. I had to reverse my opinion after a period of intense study, and a couple of specious essays that I received a perfect score on. It was going to be a book, it was going so well. I had an epiphany about the said topic and had to dump my former ideas, and the idea of a book as well. I am probably the least sexist person I know, because I am very sensitive to it and unlike most people, (because they are normal and I am crazy over the topic) I actually recognize when I'm ascribing to it, and stop myself. Like most of your insults- that one just doesn't fly and you could never understand the depths of how wrong your impressions are about it.

So- I'm not going to argue. Hope you are having a good one and there's no need to even respond to what I've written here if you would like to continue in this vein.....
I read too much Epictetus this weekend and I am giving up inflammatory arguements and trading them in for good debates. There's just no good, in any sense of the word, that can come from it. I've been pretty petty here lately, as I have been bated and took the hook almost every time.
So...
I hope you are having a good day and if you aren't...find a way to make that happen!


Off topic and I don't care:
SamIam can be proud now that I am going to utilize the good stuff I read again. You win. (Sam)


I hope Dana was just refering to me.

I felt, in context, your comment was sexist. However, seeing your side of it and the humor aspect, you are correct, I can see how it could be seen both ways and I do apologize for that. I will try to be more careful in the future.
Trust me, no one wants all this kid shit to stop more than I. I just want to discuss topics without all the stalking and spam.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

In no way was it an attack, it was an accurate description of what she was doing, rehashing a topic that had been previously exhausted, ad-naseum, previously in the thread... a thread she had not read. Yes, she had been invited, how does that precode reading it?

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Wrong. A thread she had contributed to extensively. Also wrong, she wasn't invited, she was the one doing the inviting.

I stated dyslexia can occur in any intelligence range, clearly and concisely. Two posts later. You must have missed that one. Please, go check it out.

No I read it. I had responded to an earlier post in which you claimed dyslexia to be a disease of the intelligent. Your response was to attack me. My next few posts were tackling that attack.

I'm glad you are better at diagnosing me over the net than the professionals that have in person, more than once... you are truly skilled!

At what point have i attempted to diagnose you? I did not deny you were dyslexic at any point. I just took issue with your assertion that dyslexia is an indication of intelligence. I have taken on faith, because you have told me, that you are dyslexic. I recall you mentioning it once before, if memory serves. I am neither qualified, nor intending to become qualified, in diagnosing dyslexia. I have however, some training in how to teach literacy to dyslexic adults and in the process of that training i gained at least a modicum of an understanding of the condition.

Actually, you have returned and posted an extensive and factually incorrect attack.

I did not post an attack. I posted a rebuttal. At what point was my post factually incorrect? Generally speaking, board decorum would suggest that you cite the specific part of the post which you deem to be incorrect. Just pointing your finger at me and saying 'wrong' won't do.

[lumberjim]

dude is even an asshole to those who bend over backwards to make allowances for his bitter hateful mannerisms.

At what point have i attempted to diagnose you?

You never stated I am not dyslexic? Sorry. I thought you had and read this to be that you were. My mistake, I aplogise... though others had, and I still think you implied it.

The fact that you have a long list of very clever, very creative people with dyslexia tells us nothing, other than that dyslexia need not disable someone from participating in literary, academic, or creative pursuits. I can find you a similar list of very clever, very creative people who are not dyslexic.

rk, just because people disagree with you does not make them stalkers.

I never said it did, following me from thread to thread to thread, post to post to post just to insult me OT is stalking and nothing else.

Dana, you are saying I never made post #453 in this thread?

[DanaC]

My mistake, I aplogise... though others had, and I still think you implied it.

No. I implied nothing of the sort. I fail to see how anybody could read anything i've posted on this topic and come to that conclusion, rk. I understand others have implied it, but I categorically did not. On the contrary I have been operating on the understanding that you are dyslexic.

I never said it did, following me from thread to thread to thread, post to post to post just to insult me OT is stalking and nothing else.

Are you seriously suggesting this is what I'm doing? I'm sorry but if you are that's just ludicrous. I hit New Posts and go to the posts I find interesting/intriguing ot to which I have at some point already contributed. Sometimes when I log in your name is listed as last poster for most of the threads I am interested in.

I post how I see it on each individual thread. There are times I post in support of something you've said. There are times I post in disagreement. There are times you say something that annoys me enough to post in a less friendly fashion. This is not stalking. This engaging in the constant live debates that characterise the Cellar.

If you really think I am victimising you in some way, then my friend, you have a very strange view of victimisation.

No. I implied nothing of the sort. I fail to see how anybody could read anything i've posted on this topic and come to that conclusion, rk. I understand others have implied it, but I categorically did not. On the contrary I have been operating on the understanding that you are dyslexic.

I'm sorry, I've been under attack a lot today and assumed the worst. Thanks again.

Are you seriously suggesting this is what I'm doing?

I have never called you a stalker, troll or anything remotely like that.

[DanaC]

Okay, fair enough. I misunderstood your post :P

[Spectacle]

I agree.