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[jinx]

Originally Posted by dov

I asked a very specific question.

Are you talking about in your original post? I don't see a specific question, I see 2 opinions and then "yes or no" (you forgot the little boxes to check off, btw). Yes or no what? Are there intelligent xtians?

Is there any difference among people who worship magic books? If you're going to assume that people who accept Truth without evidence aren't very bright, why the need to categorize them further depending on which magic book they get their Truth from?
Unless you're just saying that the Truths in your magic book don't exactly jive with the Truths in their magic book, and so therefore they're stupid. Is that what you're saying?

[fargon]

For dov. The 144,000 christain Jews will be left behind to do the Lord's work only the Lord knows what that will be.

Originally Posted by fargon

For dov. The 144,000 christain Jews will be left behind to do the Lord's work only the Lord knows what that will be.

The 144,000 christain Jews. Christain Jews? Hahaha. You have to get a piece of everything don’t you? lol

They are called the Children of Israel (7:4). Their tribal affiliation is specific (7:4-8).

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.

I am from the tribe of Levi, I am a Cohain, a High Priest.

Convert me and you get quadruple points.

[fargon]

I am very peaceful untill attacked. I'm not perfect just forgiven.

[Trilby]

Greetings. I am Ishtar. I am an Akkadian, a Semitic goddess.

See? We're all different here.

Except for you. You are all the same.

[Trilby]

forget the Jews! What becomes of the pagans!!?? That's what the hell I want to know! Why must we be so ethnocentric, huh? There are others who will not enjoy the rapture, ya know!

Originally Posted by Brianna

forget the Jews! What becomes of the pagans!!?? That's what the hell I want to know! Why must we be so ethnocentric, huh? There are others who will not enjoy the rapture, ya know!

I am looking foreword to a pagan thread, but then again defining it is disrespectful, and forces one out of the moment, from my experience.

Do you think we like the attention? (Jews) Keeps distracting us from our chicken soup preparation. Now preparing chicken soup is the apex of meditation, honed over a five thousand year period.

[Trilby]

(*stunned*)

I was punished?

Did I like it?

(*stunned*)

and, dov? You DO appear to be an insufferable depressive who hates groups of people indiscriminately, based upon their religious leanings or nationality.
That makes you sound soooo familiar...Oh, yeah! Like a bigot!

Originally Posted by Brianna

hates groups of people indiscriminately, based upon their religious leanings or nationality.
That makes you sound soooo familiar...Oh, yeah! Like a bigot!

I hate two groups, a group whose mission I am aware of, and threatens myself and my families lives, and also anybody in anyway responsible for the present american administration, who occupies the White House today, including the specific administration of course. If therefore, as the result of my personal biases, by your definition, then I am a bigot and dam proud of it.

Originally Posted by Brianna

dov? You DO appear to be an insufferable depressive

Enjoy yourself in my brain Brianna. I would not dare venture there unaccompanied myself. Hope you make it out unscathed. Btw, I am sure you have heard of the words projection and transference, re depression. I believe there is a whole new generation of meds that may help you.

Originally Posted by Brianna

I was punished?

Did I like it?

Not remotely close, yet.

[Trilby]

dov. Go fuck yourself.

Oh, and congratulations! you've made my iggy!

Ya dickhead.

Yo, Dov! Yer mamma's callin' you! Maybe your question should be, "What will happen to one troll at the end of the days?"

65 million other fellow American Evangelical cultists love Jews for one simple reason: They hope to bundle every hairy Jewish ass up, air-freight them to the West Bank and East Jerusalem (once those areas have been cleansed of Muslims), and use the Jews as bait to bring upon the Rapture, as kindling in the Apocalypse, the final battle that will bring Jesus back to Earth.

None of this can happen until every last Jew is penned into the occupied territories—and the Jews won't get there unless the far-right runs Israel and America. Currently 65 million American cultists are using everything in their power, from prayer to politics, to make this Helter Skelter scenario come true.

Here is a stunning description of the Rapture in Evangelical cult leader Michael D. Evans' new bestseller, The American Prophecies

Under this Evangelical "end of days" scenario, there's some good news and some bad news, depending on which cult you belong to.

First, the good news: The Rapture be bery-bery-good to Evangelical Christians. When that day arrives, they all get sucked up to heaven— body, clothes, mobile phones and all.

Evangelicals believe prophesy a nuclear holocaust: "Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet/Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets/And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths." (Zechariah 14:12)

A few years after the Rapture comes the Apocalypse. This is the bad-news part of the Evangelical equation, for some people anyway—the part of the buddy flick where the one buddy says to the other, "Sorry friend, it was either you or me."

The funny thing about The American Prophecies is that while Evans quotes extensively from Zechariah, he leaves out the one passage that every Evangelical secretly prays for: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried.
(Zechariah 13:8, 9)

In other words, two-thirds of the world's Jews, now crammed into the dusty West Bank, go to the woodchipper, and the surviving third (or perhaps as few as 144,000, depending on how you read your Bible) gets forcibly converted to Evangelical Christianity. Number nine, number nine…

This is why Jews should beware. Michael Evans and the 23 percent of the American population he represents need a Greater Israel in order to get sucked up into God's DustBuster. But to get to the "end of days," they need the Jews' cooperation. Which is probably why Evans left this part of the script out of his book. Today, Evangelicals' strategy is something like this: "Hey, maybe we've been scaring the Jews away all these years, with pogroms and quotas and stuff. Maybe if we act all nice, they'll come out from under the bed and go to Judea and Samara. Heeeeere Jew-ie Jew-ie. Nice Jewie!"

The Evangelicals' late-20th-century strategy of embracing Jews as their biggest, bestest friends in the whole wide world reads like an updated Hansel and Gretel, with Evans playing the witch luring Hymie and Gilah into his West Bank lair in order to cook them.

The funny thing about The American Prophecies is that while Evans quotes extensively from Zechariah, he leaves out the one passage that every Evangelical secretly prays for:
And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. (Zechariah 13:8, 9)

He leaves out the one passage that every Evangelical secretly prays for:

Look familiar cellists?

Every Evangelical SECRETLY prays for.

Fried

Originally Posted by dov

Look familiar cellists?

Well, I don't play the cello, myself, and, no, it doesn't look familiar. I actually thought you were making the book of Zechariah up, but sure enough, there it was in the Bible that my puppy almost chewed up that was bestowed upon me by a kind Catholic Church Lady one night with the hope that I would start attending the local Sunday Mass. Alas, nice church lady has been and will continue to be disappointed (wonder if I should give her the Bible back except that its chewed? Oh, well.)

Anyhow, I read a few lines of Zech and automatically relegated it to my mental "old Testament crazy high on a very bad acid trip" catagory. Say, wanna hear some of the Navajo Blessingway? Its much nicer late night reading. Repeat after me:

In beauty may you walk.
On abundent trails of pollen, may you walk.
May it be beautiful before you,
As it is beautiful behind you.
As it used to be long ago,
In beauty may you walk

The Navajo believe they're going to take back the world someday, too (I think). There's lots of Navajo. They have two Navajo broadcasting stations in the 4 Corners Area. They have several newspapers. Take a deep breath and think "beauty" and call me in the morning.

Oh, and think Bodisattva Vow. I think the Bodisattva's have a lot more power than some old Testament crank long dead and buried. There's Bodisattva's walking around right now. They just don't get the sensationalist press that nutso evangelicals do. Bodisattva's and Navajo's. There, there.

It is a lovely poem and thak you.

No offence please. I can freely discus the God of Abraham, whom I believe in, but it is not an exclusive faith. Elements that surround me moment to moment through time, I have learnt describing and defining her subtracts from her and is disrespectful. I do not judge anybodies spirituality or their expression of it.

[Undertoad]

Now having seen this new kinder gentler approach I have been moved to read this Zechariah, and notwithstanding all the other fire and brinstone crap in the Old Testament, it sure seems like they're indicating disease and not nuclear annihilation. At the time they would have no clue to this future technology, but flesh would often rot that way via various plagues, and the story of particularly horrorful plagues would travel.

Nuclear annihilation wouldn't reference the consuming of the flesh so much as the burning of it. If God intended to indicate nuclear here, he was a poor writer, apparently unable to select words for clarity.

The OT sure does suck, but then, I thought BACs put more importance into the NT. The NT sure does deny a lot of the fire and brimstone crap with a newfound attitude of tolerance and kindness.