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Old 12-08-2004, 09:46 AM   #1
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The 7-6 vote was only on how to punish her, it was 12-1 I believe on her guilt.
Well, she admitted it in the pulpit. She was obviously guilty. The punishment is what defines the rule. If they hadn't defrocked her, that would have changed the "no actively gay ministers" rule to "actively gay ministers are frowned upon" at most.
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Old 12-08-2004, 11:31 AM   #2
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Well, she admitted it in the pulpit. She was obviously guilty. The punishment is what defines the rule. If they hadn't defrocked her, that would have changed the "no actively gay ministers" rule to "actively gay ministers are frowned upon" at most.
Without knowing their feelings in regards to the other oprions, I think that the biggest conflict was over how to handle her position. She knew that there would be a negative outcome for her, but she may also have been resolved to that position in the first place and was willing to take it on the chin to start a ball rolling in the church heirarchy.
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Old 12-07-2004, 05:31 PM   #3
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Watch the United Church of Christ's Ad that is too controversial for TV. This is just ridiculous. I have a feeling the controversy will serve them well. Go Unitarians Go!

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Old 12-08-2004, 08:34 AM   #4
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Watch the United Church of Christ's Ad that is too controversial for TV. This is just ridiculous. I have a feeling the controversy will serve them well. Go Unitarians Go!

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The UCC and the Unitarians are different churches, at least on the surface.

Specifically, "Last Thursday I spoke with the Rev. John Thomas, president of the UCC, to offer my personal support and that of the Unitarian Universalist community."
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Old 12-08-2004, 01:31 PM   #5
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Watch the United Church of Christ's Ad that is too controversial for TV. This is just ridiculous. I have a feeling the controversy will serve them well. Go Unitarians Go!

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I've seen that ad several times. On TV. Can't for the life of me remember where, though. Cable, certainly, but that's as close as I can get.

I think they suffer a loss of yardage for making the implication that any other church is full of white supremacists who don't let just anyone in their doors ...

I think that the UCC denomination is quite different from the Unitarians (UUC) ... aren't the UUCs the ones who are only kind of marginally Christian, or at least offer greater leeway in terms of what one considers a godform? I do know that the UUC's have a subgroup of pagans that they sanction worship services for ... CUUPs? Coven of Unitarian Universalist Pagans.
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Old 12-08-2004, 08:55 AM   #6
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I assume the problem with the ad was that the ones the guys at the start let through looked like rejects for a 50s poster for the nuclear family.
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Old 12-08-2004, 02:11 PM   #7
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I was wondering if the UCC group was the same as Unitarian...I'm sure I'm condensing them and their godform(S)! appologies.
Anyhoo, Its about joining their club! I think their's is a clever marketing strategy. The fact that there is controversy just helps them out.
I personally like that they call out all the competition on exclusion based on racism, homophobia, hypocrisy. Take a stand. In my book, that's a first down.

Oh, and I guess the bans were on CBS and NBC.

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