Do you FEEL safer? - Page 3

Happy Monkey · 10-28-2004, 04:50 PM

This is indeed getting too complicated for the press to adequately cover at their customary grade level. But in the end, if the video footage from Minneapolis Channel 5 is to be believed, there was some significant number of tons of explosives still under seal when US troops passed through, and they are no longer there. If Bush is to be believed, the US has no idea when or how those explosives were removed. This site was on the IAEA list of sensitive sites, which was available to the administration. If the explosives were taken before we got there, then this story should have broken long ago. It shouldn't even be in question whether or not they were already gone, and the fact that it is in question is just as disturbing no matter the answer.

russotto · 10-28-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

But in the end, if the video footage from Minneapolis Channel 5 is to be believed, there was some significant number of tons of explosives still under seal when US troops passed through, and they are no longer there.

The Channel 5 footage isn't necessarily of the same bunkers which the explosives are missing from.

One thing's certain; the Bush administration has no idea where the explosives are. They've come up with quite a few stories, including blaming the French.

Happy Monkey · 10-28-2004, 05:16 PM

and the Russians.

Trilby · 10-28-2004, 06:47 PM

Mari--you underestimate the average American voter. Don't do that. We're all pretty much as intelligent and informed as you and Catwoman are.

PS--I KNOW Catwoman is a Brit--but you'd never know that from her BuffaloStance.

alphageek31337 · 10-29-2004, 05:31 AM

Reasons I don't feel safe:

1) Iraq is a mess. Dictatorships are wrong, but what we have now is a huge border open to terrorist movement, anarchaic sectors of the country where terrorists can gather and plot, and an entire country that is pissed off at us enough that it is willing to die if it can take a few of us down with it. It's worth noting that not only were none of the 9/11 hijackers Iraqi, but that every single one of them had lost a loved one to an American attack, or an Israeli (and, hence, American-funded) attack. With every mother we blow up, all of her sons become new potential terrorists.

2) Our borders are appallingly insecure. The vast majority of all shipborne freight still goes uninspected, and significant chunks of our coastline are still either unmanned or severely undermanned. If we really wanted to tighten up, instead of establishing "free-speech zones", we'd be patrolling our goddamned coastline. Which brings me to my next point...

3) Our government is turning against us. If the government doesn't like you or what you're saying or doing, they can take you away. They can hold you as long as they want, outside the country, without charge, due process, legal aid, or even letting you contact your loved ones to let them know why you disappeared. They can listen in on your communications without a court order, and if they don't like what they hear, then you're gone. Winston Smith never existed...

4) The biggest reason, and the t-shirt I'll be wearing to the polls, consists of two words: Where's Osama.

elSicomoro · 10-29-2004, 12:55 PM

Well, there was that deer that ran through the window of a supermarket in St. Louis several years ago...

Cyber Wolf · 10-29-2004, 12:57 PM

We had a deer crash through a window at my high school in Richmond VA a while ago.

wolf · 10-29-2004, 08:53 PM

I am deer's natural predator. Does that count?

10-29-2004, 09:59 PM

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I am deer's natural predator. Does that count?

Most certainly! I shall amend my sentence above to: "A death by starvation is far more cruel and drawn out than death by a hunter's gun or a predator's claw or a wolf's fang." I would love to see wolves re-introduced to Colorado. One of the most amazing experiences I ever had was the sighting of two wolves in one of Colorado's wilderness areas. I was with a man who worked for the forest service and had a degree in zoology and he confirmed my ID of "wolf" for the two canids we saw through binoculars about a quarter mile distant from where we were standing.

wolf · 10-29-2004, 10:12 PM

Technically, I don't have fangs. I have a .308

Cyber Wolf · 10-29-2004, 10:15 PM

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I have a .308

100% un-natural :p

Happy Monkey · 10-29-2004, 11:58 PM

Says the CYBER wolf. You've probably got a fricken laser beam on your head or something.

Cyber Wolf · 10-30-2004, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Says the CYBER wolf. You've probably got a fricken laser beam on your head or something.

Now what'd you have to go and tell everyone for? Geez!

elSicomoro · 10-30-2004, 11:16 PM

Well, it's either that, or you're not real...

10-28-2004, 04:50 PM	#1
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	This is indeed getting too complicated for the press to adequately cover at their customary grade level. But in the end, if the video footage from Minneapolis Channel 5 is to be believed, there was some significant number of tons of explosives still under seal when US troops passed through, and they are no longer there. If Bush is to be believed, the US has no idea when or how those explosives were removed. This site was on the IAEA list of sensitive sites, which was available to the administration. If the explosives were taken before we got there, then this story should have broken long ago. It shouldn't even be in question whether or not they were already gone, and the fact that it is in question is just as disturbing no matter the answer. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-28-2004, 05:16 PM	#3
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	and the Russians. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-28-2004, 06:47 PM	#4
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Mari--you underestimate the average American voter. Don't do that. We're all pretty much as intelligent and informed as you and Catwoman are. PS--I KNOW Catwoman is a Brit--but you'd never know that from her BuffaloStance. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

10-29-2004, 05:31 AM	#5
alphageek31337 Enemy Combatant/Evildoer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 263	Reasons I don't feel safe: 1) Iraq is a mess. Dictatorships are wrong, but what we have now is a huge border open to terrorist movement, anarchaic sectors of the country where terrorists can gather and plot, and an entire country that is pissed off at us enough that it is willing to die if it can take a few of us down with it. It's worth noting that not only were none of the 9/11 hijackers Iraqi, but that every single one of them had lost a loved one to an American attack, or an Israeli (and, hence, American-funded) attack. With every mother we blow up, all of her sons become new potential terrorists. 2) Our borders are appallingly insecure. The vast majority of all shipborne freight still goes uninspected, and significant chunks of our coastline are still either unmanned or severely undermanned. If we really wanted to tighten up, instead of establishing "free-speech zones", we'd be patrolling our goddamned coastline. Which brings me to my next point... 3) Our government is turning against us. If the government doesn't like you or what you're saying or doing, they can take you away. They can hold you as long as they want, outside the country, without charge, due process, legal aid, or even letting you contact your loved ones to let them know why you disappeared. They can listen in on your communications without a court order, and if they don't like what they hear, then you're gone. Winston Smith never existed... 4) The biggest reason, and the t-shirt I'll be wearing to the polls, consists of two words: Where's Osama. __________________ The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. ---Friedrich Nietzsche

10-29-2004, 12:57 PM	#7
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	We had a deer crash through a window at my high school in Richmond VA a while ago. __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

10-29-2004, 12:55 PM	#6
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Well, there was that deer that ran through the window of a supermarket in St. Louis several years ago...

10-29-2004, 08:53 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I am deer's natural predator. Does that count? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-29-2004, 10:12 PM	#10
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Technically, I don't have fangs. I have a .308 __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-29-2004, 11:58 PM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Says the CYBER wolf. You've probably got a fricken laser beam on your head or something. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-30-2004, 11:16 PM	#14
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Well, it's either that, or you're not real...

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