A Major work decision to make - Page 3

lumberjim · 07-27-2004, 10:49 PM

Well, here's a little wrinkle:

Unbeknownst to my friend, ...we'll call him Mike, as that's his real name....Ed had already hired an F&I person.

He needs a salesmanager though.

That actually sounds even better than F&I, if marginally less rewarding financially. It would still be A major, major increase. And less hours. The F&I guy is always the last to leave, along with one of 4 salesmanagers. so, once or twice a week, i might get stuck there exceedingly late. and they close early friday night. so.....on the schedule, it would work out to less than i work here. granted that they put alot of extra time in, i'd most likely work the same or maybe a little more. It comes back to the ride in. and then it comes back to the pay.

I liked Ed. He's a cowboys fan. How sweet is that?

He seemed very honest, which is something Mike had said about him before. This is a high volume, well advertised, growing store, and the salesmanager path leads to General Salesmanager, leads to General Manager, Leads to Partner to Dealer Principle/owner/millionaire.

Having F&I experience, and salesmanager experience is a plus. This job would look very good on a resume. I get to pick from a whole new set of cars to drive as a demo. ( ive tried all the jeeps, and chryslers that were not demo exempt)

I could stay where i am in what i see as a shrinking dealership, or i could reach out and grab the rope tow. A big store like that can be intense when it's busy, but the organization methods he described seem to make a deal of sense, and it should be just like where i work at a busy time.

The big difference between a salesmanager and F&I is that, during a deal, the salesmanager lives in the moment, chipping away at the prize until he gets it , signs off, and lets the f&i guy and the salesman put it all together. You are the exertER of the pressure, not the exertEE, as you are in finance. In finance, the salesmanager may get a customer to say yes to buying the car, but until the approval is secure or assured, they dont really have a deal. You can imagine that the salesman and the salesmanagers want the f&i guy to be good at hs job, and get the difficult deals done. That can be pretty rough sometimes.

So, less pressured job, less hours than expected, still considerably more do-re-mi, and who knows what other perks i can negotiate with them if they want me. He offered a second interview if I wanted to go further...basically meaning admitting that I wanted the job...., and asked that I call him by 1 PM tomorrow to let him know, as he's going out of town for a couple days, and wants to at least schedule it by then. He mentioned a few other candidates, and implied that i was among the top two (I did the same thing when looking for an assistant....it's like fishing). So I need to make up my mind by then. To be honest, and at risk of jinxing myself, I have to say that I want to do it.

another con is that wolf could call me a car salesman, and I couldnt really argue with her. I'd actually be worse......I'd be that guy behind the desk like OZ. Everyone hates that guy.

I'm going to drive there during rush hour, tomorrow, just to make sure i can tolerate the ride ( which, btw, would only be in traffic 3 days a week). It took me just about 1 1/2 hours to get home, and i took a stupid way. ( and it rained so goddamn hard, i had to go slow for a good 20 minutes......you know, when it rains so hard, it might as well be snow, and the wipers dont work fast enough, and the trucks are heaving walls of water aside, and the giant thickwhite bolts of lightning are flaring. wow. it was awesome. my hands are sore from the deathgrip i had on the steering wheel.

bluesdave · 07-27-2004, 11:51 PM

That sounds great LJ! I hope you will be shouting drinks all round, to celebrate! Those of us too far away from PA will have to supply our own. I'll toast you in spirit, at least.

wolf · 07-28-2004, 01:08 AM

Damn ... so you'd be the guy that the guy I end up talking to always has to "check with"?

Could be cool indeed.

Good luck to you!

lookout123 · 07-28-2004, 01:28 AM

you know LJ - if you don't have to sacrifice too much time from jinx and the rug lizards it sounds like an excellent opportunity. i don't know what it is like there, but i know my time in the car biz didn't require me to do that much real rush hour driving so the greater distance may not be that bad.
as you said, a real resume booster, and much desired cash...
it would be awful hard to pass up - i don't think that i would.
so good luck with it, and keep us posted.

Griff · 07-28-2004, 07:24 AM

You haven't addressed the real issue... Will you be able to post from work?

Clodfobble · 07-28-2004, 09:18 AM

That's awesome! I always find that when I'm buggin' really hard about something, it always turns out to be a totally different situation than the one I sat there worrying about the whole time. And as the Guy Behind the Desk, surely you'd have to have a computer and "look busy" by typing all the time, right...?

lumberjim · 07-28-2004, 10:47 AM

i seriously doubt that I'll have time to fart, much less post. Some of you will be pleased by this, I'm sure......well, at least 5 of you, anyway

I drove there this morning through suck ass shurekill expressway traffic, and it only took 1.5 hours (only!...guh).and i sat in traffic for a good 1/2 hr....so i've decided officially that I want that job. I spoke to ed, and we are meeting monday morning, so i can meet the GSM, and the CFO, and negotiate a pay plan. This will, no doubt, be the longest 5 days in recent memory. I'm going to get it. dammit.

Undertoad · 07-28-2004, 06:57 PM

You still didn't tell us what kinda car!

dar512 · 08-12-2004, 01:15 PM

Time for an update, Jim.

lumberjim · 08-17-2004, 10:09 PM

i just typed for a half hour, telling you all about my new job, and this fucking thing went beige on me again. i lost it all.

the new job is good.

wolf · 08-18-2004, 01:26 AM

Cool. Glad to hear it. When will you be in the TV Commercials?

08-18-2004, 01:27 AM

Glad to hear you're liking the job, check in on us when you can. We MISS you (even me)!

lumberjim · 10-11-2004, 11:14 PM

update: the F&I guy they hired sucks, and they offered me his job. whook.

Undertoad · 10-12-2004, 04:48 AM

w00t! Mo money mo money mo money --

Every time I hear the "screamer" ads I think of you man!

Clodfobble · 10-12-2004, 07:02 AM

So does this mean you're no longer a car salesman again? That hardly seems fair.

07-27-2004, 10:49 PM	#31
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Well, here's a little wrinkle: Unbeknownst to my friend, ...we'll call him Mike, as that's his real name....Ed had already hired an F&I person. He needs a salesmanager though. That actually sounds even better than F&I, if marginally less rewarding financially. It would still be A major, major increase. And less hours. The F&I guy is always the last to leave, along with one of 4 salesmanagers. so, once or twice a week, i might get stuck there exceedingly late. and they close early friday night. so.....on the schedule, it would work out to less than i work here. granted that they put alot of extra time in, i'd most likely work the same or maybe a little more. It comes back to the ride in. and then it comes back to the pay. I liked Ed. He's a cowboys fan. How sweet is that? He seemed very honest, which is something Mike had said about him before. This is a high volume, well advertised, growing store, and the salesmanager path leads to General Salesmanager, leads to General Manager, Leads to Partner to Dealer Principle/owner/millionaire. Having F&I experience, and salesmanager experience is a plus. This job would look very good on a resume. I get to pick from a whole new set of cars to drive as a demo. ( ive tried all the jeeps, and chryslers that were not demo exempt) I could stay where i am in what i see as a shrinking dealership, or i could reach out and grab the rope tow. A big store like that can be intense when it's busy, but the organization methods he described seem to make a deal of sense, and it should be just like where i work at a busy time. The big difference between a salesmanager and F&I is that, during a deal, the salesmanager lives in the moment, chipping away at the prize until he gets it , signs off, and lets the f&i guy and the salesman put it all together. You are the exertER of the pressure, not the exertEE, as you are in finance. In finance, the salesmanager may get a customer to say yes to buying the car, but until the approval is secure or assured, they dont really have a deal. You can imagine that the salesman and the salesmanagers want the f&i guy to be good at hs job, and get the difficult deals done. That can be pretty rough sometimes. So, less pressured job, less hours than expected, still considerably more do-re-mi, and who knows what other perks i can negotiate with them if they want me. He offered a second interview if I wanted to go further...basically meaning admitting that I wanted the job...., and asked that I call him by 1 PM tomorrow to let him know, as he's going out of town for a couple days, and wants to at least schedule it by then. He mentioned a few other candidates, and implied that i was among the top two (I did the same thing when looking for an assistant....it's like fishing). So I need to make up my mind by then. To be honest, and at risk of jinxing myself, I have to say that I want to do it. another con is that wolf could call me a car salesman, and I couldnt really argue with her. I'd actually be worse......I'd be that guy behind the desk like OZ. Everyone hates that guy. I'm going to drive there during rush hour, tomorrow, just to make sure i can tolerate the ride ( which, btw, would only be in traffic 3 days a week). It took me just about 1 1/2 hours to get home, and i took a stupid way. ( and it rained so goddamn hard, i had to go slow for a good 20 minutes......you know, when it rains so hard, it might as well be snow, and the wipers dont work fast enough, and the trucks are heaving walls of water aside, and the giant thickwhite bolts of lightning are flaring. wow. it was awesome. my hands are sore from the deathgrip i had on the steering wheel. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

07-27-2004, 11:51 PM	#32
bluesdave Getting older every day Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 308	That sounds great LJ! I hope you will be shouting drinks all round, to celebrate! Those of us too far away from PA will have to supply our own. I'll toast you in spirit, at least. __________________ History is a great teacher; it is a shame that people never learn from it.

07-28-2004, 01:08 AM	#33
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Damn ... so you'd be the guy that the guy I end up talking to always has to "check with"? Could be cool indeed. Good luck to you! __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

07-28-2004, 01:28 AM	#34
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	you know LJ - if you don't have to sacrifice too much time from jinx and the rug lizards it sounds like an excellent opportunity. i don't know what it is like there, but i know my time in the car biz didn't require me to do that much real rush hour driving so the greater distance may not be that bad. as you said, a real resume booster, and much desired cash... it would be awful hard to pass up - i don't think that i would. so good luck with it, and keep us posted. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-28-2004, 07:24 AM	#35
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	You haven't addressed the real issue... Will you be able to post from work? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-28-2004, 09:18 AM	#36
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	That's awesome! I always find that when I'm buggin' really hard about something, it always turns out to be a totally different situation than the one I sat there worrying about the whole time. And as the Guy Behind the Desk, surely you'd have to have a computer and "look busy" by typing all the time, right...?

07-28-2004, 10:47 AM	#37
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	i seriously doubt that I'll have time to fart, much less post. Some of you will be pleased by this, I'm sure......well, at least 5 of you, anyway I drove there this morning through suck ass shurekill expressway traffic, and it only took 1.5 hours (only!...guh).and i sat in traffic for a good 1/2 hr....so i've decided officially that I want that job. I spoke to ed, and we are meeting monday morning, so i can meet the GSM, and the CFO, and negotiate a pay plan. This will, no doubt, be the longest 5 days in recent memory. I'm going to get it. dammit. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

07-28-2004, 06:57 PM	#38
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You still didn't tell us what kinda car!

08-12-2004, 01:15 PM	#39
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Time for an update, Jim.

08-17-2004, 10:09 PM	#40
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	i just typed for a half hour, telling you all about my new job, and this fucking thing went beige on me again. i lost it all. the new job is good. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

08-18-2004, 01:26 AM	#41
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Cool. Glad to hear it. When will you be in the TV Commercials? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-18-2004, 01:27 AM	#42
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Glad to hear you're liking the job, check in on us when you can. We MISS you (even me)!

10-11-2004, 11:14 PM	#43
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	update: the F&I guy they hired sucks, and they offered me his job. whook. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-12-2004, 04:48 AM	#44
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	w00t! Mo money mo money mo money -- Every time I hear the "screamer" ads I think of you man!

10-12-2004, 07:02 AM	#45
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	So does this mean you're no longer a car salesman again? That hardly seems fair.

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