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warch · 03-11-2004, 12:41 PM

Mix and match black separates, iron them, no sneakers or hiking boots, cover your tatoos if possible, take out facial piercings except minimal ears, no big fragrance, no hair in your face, smooth out your eyebrows...and smile! (I'm channeling my mother)

Good luck!

russotto · 03-11-2004, 02:40 PM

Give 'em a range. At the low end, put the highest you think they'd possibly accept, which will hopefully be considerably higher than the lowest you'd accept.

The thing is that if you give a salary way too high or way too low, they won't accept you. But if you give an acceptable salary lower than the top they'd be willing to pay, that's what you'll be offered if you take the job; you've left money on the table. If you're a little too high, they can negotiate you down.

(not that I really know... last job I just blue-skied it and got the number I asked for, which I thought was too high. But then the dot-com bust hit and the salary freeze went on and I haven't had a raise since, so now I'm underpaid)

wolf · 03-11-2004, 08:25 PM

I interviewed for an assistant director job at my hospital within the last year.

I was asked the "how much do you think you should be paid" question.

This job was within the crisis dept. I'm in commitment. We share an office.

I know the job, because I've been watching other people do it for years. It sucks ass, involves a lot more responsibility, monthly instead of occasional on-calls, and you have to juggle the hell which is our departmental schedule, making sure that all shifts are covered by too small a number of employees who all want time off at the same time.

Oh, and the position is salaried. No OT, but often extra long, uncompensated hours when stuff gets screwed up. There is a provision for OT if NOBODY can work a particular shift and you end up taking it, but activation of that provision is very rare.

Taking all of this into consideration, I named a number that was about 20-25% above my current salary, knowing that I'd lose all OT pay, and there would be nights when I'd be awakened by people asking me stupidass questions.

The HR director turned white as a sheet and said "you want HOW much??"

They were actually offering me LESS.

Same thing happened with another guy on my shift who interviewed, just to see if they might offer him a better deal.

They did hire from within the department, and it was someone who was on a much lower salary step and less seniority, who was hungry enough to take the job, because it looked like more money to him.

Nothing But Net · 03-11-2004, 09:00 PM

When negotiating salary, the Kayser Soze approach has been proven to work well:

"What are you willing to pay me so I don't kill your worthless ass, your piece-of-shit family, your friends, your barber, and fuck if he don't deserve it, burn all their fucking houses to the ground, and then if I'm in a good mood I'll just piss on the fucking ashes. The choice is yours."

kerosene · 03-12-2004, 08:01 PM

Just wanted to say that I ROCKED that interview.

Oh yeah, and wolf, I took your advice about peeing before the interview. It helped.

Now, I have to wait 2 weeks until they call me to schedule the 4th of 5 interviews. Ugh.

elSicomoro · 03-12-2004, 08:11 PM

Man, that better be a damned good job...5 interviews?

Fortunately, I haven't had to do much negotiation on salary recently:

--When I was hired on as a temp, it was 35% more than I was making at my last job.
--When I was hired on permanently, I got a 20% raise.
--When I got my review, I got another 2.5% (pro-rated b/c I started late in the year).
--When I got my promotion last month, I got another 8.5%.

Bottom line: I make 75% more today than I did a year ago.

Good luck!

farfromhome · 03-12-2004, 10:51 PM

Congrat's Case.Keep after 'em.

farfromhome · 03-12-2004, 11:15 PM

[quote]Originally posted by wolf

The HR director turned white as a sheet and said "you want HOW much??"

Just as I was leaving work this afternoon a co-worker revealed to me how much more he was making as an assistant lead person.Nothing.Despite many more responsibilities.And an actual lead person?90 cents an hour.I guess my point is that power(in any manner of subjucated way) takes precedence over what should really be important.For many people.
For me the more I can provide for my loved ones is my happiness.I don't need power.

o

lumberjim · 03-17-2004, 09:51 AM

2 weeks is a long time to wait bteween job interviews. you got any updates for us? how are you dealing with the waiting? i'd be climbing walls.

kerosene · 03-17-2004, 10:06 AM

Yes, 2 weeks IS a long time to wait. I have to wonder if they already knew they weren't interested in me, so they told me "2 weeks."

This is what happens when I have to wait 2 weeks to hear back. I start second guessing everything and assuming all the worst. So, yes, I am climbing walls right now.

SteveDallas · 03-17-2004, 10:10 AM

That's the thing that annoys me most about job interviews, is when they don't let you know you didn't get the job. I have almost never received an outright rejection from jobs that turned me down, and it bugs me. I don't expect every single resume I send in to get acknowledged, but if they reach the point of interviewing me, I think they owe it to me to spend 10 seconds to send a "sorry, we hired somebody else" email.

kerosene · 03-17-2004, 10:22 AM

Yes, I think that is the least they can do. If they don't pick me, I hope that they consider that they wasted a lot of my time. I mean, especially if I get 2 more interviews, which I have to skive off my current job for to drive an hour to Denver and back. I don't have an issue with driving, but when its for interviews that will produce nothing for me, it's irritating. I guess I can look at it as good experience. Still, if I don't hear from them, I will definitely call, so I can hear it straight.

lumberjim · 03-17-2004, 10:31 AM

a place that interviews people 5 times will definately send you a letter of rejection if you don;t get the job. I interviewd 15 people looking for an assistant, and 14 of them got phone calls directly from me telling them that I had gone another way. I think it might be required, actually. But,Case, don't spend time thinking about not getting it....if you can. you said you rocked the interview. be optimistic. I'm sure you'll get it.

kerosene · 03-17-2004, 10:41 AM

Thanks for your encouragement, LJ. I have been trying not to focus on it at all, so that I am not too terribly disappointed if I get the rejection letter. I know they interviewed a lot of people, and they are looking for 3 different people for 3 different positions. Each of the managers has to decide who they want for their team, so I can see how they might need some time to figure all that out. Plus, as busy as they seem, I doubt they focus all their energy on hiring people right now.

lumberjim · 03-17-2004, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by case
Thanks for your encouragement, LJ. I have been trying not to focus on it at all, so that I am not too terribly disappointed if I get the rejection letter.

so...my bringing it up again and reminding you about it is probably not productive for you, is it? *sigh*

...i know, i know, don't say it.

03-11-2004, 02:40 PM	#32
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Salary? Give 'em a range. At the low end, put the highest you think they'd possibly accept, which will hopefully be considerably higher than the lowest you'd accept. The thing is that if you give a salary way too high or way too low, they won't accept you. But if you give an acceptable salary lower than the top they'd be willing to pay, that's what you'll be offered if you take the job; you've left money on the table. If you're a little too high, they can negotiate you down. (not that I really know... last job I just blue-skied it and got the number I asked for, which I thought was too high. But then the dot-com bust hit and the salary freeze went on and I haven't had a raise since, so now I'm underpaid)

03-11-2004, 08:25 PM	#33
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I interviewed for an assistant director job at my hospital within the last year. I was asked the "how much do you think you should be paid" question. This job was within the crisis dept. I'm in commitment. We share an office. I know the job, because I've been watching other people do it for years. It sucks ass, involves a lot more responsibility, monthly instead of occasional on-calls, and you have to juggle the hell which is our departmental schedule, making sure that all shifts are covered by too small a number of employees who all want time off at the same time. Oh, and the position is salaried. No OT, but often extra long, uncompensated hours when stuff gets screwed up. There is a provision for OT if NOBODY can work a particular shift and you end up taking it, but activation of that provision is very rare. Taking all of this into consideration, I named a number that was about 20-25% above my current salary, knowing that I'd lose all OT pay, and there would be nights when I'd be awakened by people asking me stupidass questions. The HR director turned white as a sheet and said "you want HOW much??" They were actually offering me LESS. Same thing happened with another guy on my shift who interviewed, just to see if they might offer him a better deal. They did hire from within the department, and it was someone who was on a much lower salary step and less seniority, who was hungry enough to take the job, because it looked like more money to him. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-12-2004, 08:01 PM	#35
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	Interview update Just wanted to say that I ROCKED that interview. Oh yeah, and wolf, I took your advice about peeing before the interview. It helped. Now, I have to wait 2 weeks until they call me to schedule the 4th of 5 interviews. Ugh.

03-12-2004, 10:51 PM	#37
farfromhome Management Consultant Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland,OR/Conesus,NY Posts: 166	Congrat's Case.Keep after 'em. __________________ When you ain't got nothing-you ain't got nothing to lose.

03-12-2004, 11:15 PM	#38
farfromhome Management Consultant Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland,OR/Conesus,NY Posts: 166	[quote]Originally posted by wolf The HR director turned white as a sheet and said "you want HOW much??" Just as I was leaving work this afternoon a co-worker revealed to me how much more he was making as an assistant lead person.Nothing.Despite many more responsibilities.And an actual lead person?90 cents an hour.I guess my point is that power(in any manner of subjucated way) takes precedence over what should really be important.For many people. For me the more I can provide for my loved ones is my happiness.I don't need power. o __________________ When you ain't got nothing-you ain't got nothing to lose.

03-11-2004, 12:41 PM	#31
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Mix and match black separates, iron them, no sneakers or hiking boots, cover your tatoos if possible, take out facial piercings except minimal ears, no big fragrance, no hair in your face, smooth out your eyebrows...and smile! (I'm channeling my mother) Good luck!

03-11-2004, 09:00 PM	#34
Nothing But Net Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 1,481	When negotiating salary, the Kayser Soze approach has been proven to work well: "What are you willing to pay me so I don't kill your worthless ass, your piece-of-shit family, your friends, your barber, and fuck if he don't deserve it, burn all their fucking houses to the ground, and then if I'm in a good mood I'll just piss on the fucking ashes. The choice is yours."

03-12-2004, 08:11 PM	#36
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Man, that better be a damned good job...5 interviews? Fortunately, I haven't had to do much negotiation on salary recently: --When I was hired on as a temp, it was 35% more than I was making at my last job. --When I was hired on permanently, I got a 20% raise. --When I got my review, I got another 2.5% (pro-rated b/c I started late in the year). --When I got my promotion last month, I got another 8.5%. Bottom line: I make 75% more today than I did a year ago. Good luck!

03-17-2004, 09:51 AM	#39
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	2 weeks is a long time to wait bteween job interviews. you got any updates for us? how are you dealing with the waiting? i'd be climbing walls. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

03-17-2004, 10:06 AM	#40
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	Yes, 2 weeks IS a long time to wait. I have to wonder if they already knew they weren't interested in me, so they told me "2 weeks." This is what happens when I have to wait 2 weeks to hear back. I start second guessing everything and assuming all the worst. So, yes, I am climbing walls right now.

03-17-2004, 10:10 AM	#41
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	That's the thing that annoys me most about job interviews, is when they don't let you know you didn't get the job. I have almost never received an outright rejection from jobs that turned me down, and it bugs me. I don't expect every single resume I send in to get acknowledged, but if they reach the point of interviewing me, I think they owe it to me to spend 10 seconds to send a "sorry, we hired somebody else" email.

03-17-2004, 10:22 AM	#42
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	Yes, I think that is the least they can do. If they don't pick me, I hope that they consider that they wasted a lot of my time. I mean, especially if I get 2 more interviews, which I have to skive off my current job for to drive an hour to Denver and back. I don't have an issue with driving, but when its for interviews that will produce nothing for me, it's irritating. I guess I can look at it as good experience. Still, if I don't hear from them, I will definitely call, so I can hear it straight.

03-17-2004, 10:31 AM	#43
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	a place that interviews people 5 times will definately send you a letter of rejection if you don;t get the job. I interviewd 15 people looking for an assistant, and 14 of them got phone calls directly from me telling them that I had gone another way. I think it might be required, actually. But,Case, don't spend time thinking about not getting it....if you can. you said you rocked the interview. be optimistic. I'm sure you'll get it. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

03-17-2004, 10:41 AM	#44
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	Thanks for your encouragement, LJ. I have been trying not to focus on it at all, so that I am not too terribly disappointed if I get the rejection letter. I know they interviewed a lot of people, and they are looking for 3 different people for 3 different positions. Each of the managers has to decide who they want for their team, so I can see how they might need some time to figure all that out. Plus, as busy as they seem, I doubt they focus all their energy on hiring people right now.

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