Women like that - Page 3

juju · 09-30-2003, 02:32 PM

I know this might be drifting off topic a bit, but I thought I'd take this chance to put forth one of my rants that no one ever agrees with.

It's important to remember that, when attempting to relate to someone, emphasizing your differences is not the way to go about it. You can only really relate to and identify with someone when you realize your similarities. This has obviously been done between blacks and whites in America, and it must also be done with men and women.

Despite our differences, men and women (and people in general) are mostly the same. We go through many of the same circumstances and experience many of the same emotions and thought processes. We have many of the same feelings. This is hugely more significant than social strategies.

Maybe my wife doesn't know what it's like to have to deal with male pride, but that is <i>not</i> the world. I don't know why many so people act as if it were. There are millions of other social intricacies and experiences in which men and women react exactly the same way.

It has reached the point that our focus on the differences gets more in the way of relationships than the differences themselves!

With all this said, I should reiterate that I do indeed recognize that men and women have their behavioral differences. However, if you keep repeating that mantra, then you'll never be able to relate to the opposite sex.

Whit · 09-30-2003, 02:33 PM

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From Beestie:
Women impute a motive to men's actions then hold them responsible for it without first verifying the validity of the assumption thereby placing the responsibility for their interpretation squarely on the man's shoulders.

      Damn Beestie... That makes a lot of sense, well judging by my own experiences anyway...

      This whole thread just reinforces my original theory of cross-gender relations: Men are stupid, women are insane. Interestingly the men are virtually always willing to cop to being stupid when it comes to women and the women almost always deny the insanity even when they admit all of their own actions were nutty. I don't get it, save to accept it as proof of insanity.

Griff · 09-30-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by warch
What was the real motivation for this thread?

I assume its the whole luvbugs fiasco... folks never know what they can say without mis/over-interpretation.

Pete does better with guy friends. For her its more about guys doing the fun stuff cycling, ballgames, what not vs baby showers and various emote-a-fests. She likes that I can call one of my friends after several months and there is no explanation needed, we just pick up where we left off. Its over generalizing to say women can be more petty but cliques seem more likely to develop. Its about being herself and that is easier among guys.

warch · 09-30-2003, 05:10 PM

This whole sex thing. You can see my frustration!

xoxoxoBruce · 09-30-2003, 05:55 PM

From Beestie:
Women impute a motive to men's actions then hold them responsible for it without first verifying the validity of the assumption thereby placing the responsibility for their interpretation squarely on the man's shoulders.

My personal observation has been, women remember every slight, real and imagined. Men usually have to really impressed (good or bad) with something to remember it.

Whit, exactly where was I flirting in this thread???

daniwong · 09-30-2003, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by Griff

I assume its the whole luvbugs fiasco... folks never know what they can say without mis/over-interpretation.

Pete does better with guy friends. For her its more about guys doing the fun stuff cycling, ballgames, what not vs baby showers and various emote-a-fests. She likes that I can call one of my friends after several months and there is no explanation needed, we just pick up where we left off. Its over generalizing to say women can be more petty but cliques seem more likely to develop. Its about being herself and that is easier among guys.

Ok - this is my point. Its not that I hate the female gender - far from it. I am very proud to be the woman that I am. I don't have to use stupid little airhead responses to shit. I am intelligent. If I don't know about something or how to do something, I have the balls to say I don't and I ask to learn. I don't think ever in my life have I ever said - I don't know how to do that (or need to know how to do that) because I'm a woman. What drives me up a wall are the women that expected to be treated differently because they don't have a penis. I'm equal to a man. Yeah - maybe I can't bench press as much as a man - but who the heck cares?

The main reason why I have a bunch of guy friends? Because a lot of women in my area are down right annoying. They want to be these fragile things that want to have jobs that are easy and want to stay home and literally not know what goes on in the world around them. I know males that are like this as well - I don't hang around them either. I find that it is easier to be around a bunch of guys that I know are not wondering "mmm bitch - where do you think you can get off wearing that color" or "I bet she's with him cause of his money" or "I bet I can steal him from her". That kinda crap is not my style and I don't have the time or the energy to deal with it.

zippyt · 09-30-2003, 06:40 PM

Damn all you folks over think every thing !!!!!!!!!
I was raised by my mother , big sis , my moms best friend and her three daughters . My mom was the queen of batting her eye lashes and getting what she wanted from ANYBODY !!! I relate equaly well with men and ladys because i have figured out a simple fact . Men are like dogs , you feed us , give us some place warm to sleep , ocationaly rub our bellys , and let us run around with our friends , and we are happy puppys . Ladys are like cats , they will sweet talk you , then claw you , an NO BODY can figuer them out !!!!!!!
Just my humble opinion

Undertoad · 09-30-2003, 06:52 PM

To me, it seems like the very worst offense would be that this specific quality is referred to as "feminine" behavior. Because yes it's the difference that's defining. And usually "viva la difference" but when the difference is tactically using WEAKNESS...

zip-man, I have never heard it put that way, but as usual you cut through all the BS. I could have said that with like five paragraphs...

Having gone over the tactical use of weakness, we need a whole nother thread to talk about the tactical use of sexuality...

Griff · 09-30-2003, 07:21 PM

We bombin Bagdad with hookers now?

xoxoxoBruce · 09-30-2003, 07:22 PM

QUOTE
Ok - this is my point. Its not that I hate the female gender - far from it. I am very proud to be the woman that I am. I don't have to use stupid little airhead responses to shit. I am intelligent. If I don't know about something or how to do something, I have the balls to say I don't and I ask to learn. SNIP

Balls? Interesting choice of terms considering balls is universally considered male. Anyone with the nerve, guts, steel, bravery or whatever is attributed with a male trait. Latent sexism?

warch · 09-30-2003, 08:33 PM

You could argue that the best pro-democratic offensive on the middle east would be a massive invasion of educated women demanding equal power. (The hookers...they can create a tactical diversion.)

xoxoxoBruce · 09-30-2003, 09:11 PM

UT, you've never heard men are dogs? I've heard it a lot.

Pigs too.

elSicomoro · 09-30-2003, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Whit, exactly where was I flirting in this thread???

I'm too high to look right now, but knowing you, it happened.

juju · 09-30-2003, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by zippyt
Damn all you folks over think every thing !!!!!!!!!
I was raised by my mother , big sis , my moms best friend and her three daughters . My mom was the queen of batting her eye lashes and getting what she wanted from ANYBODY !!! I relate equaly well with men and ladys because i have figured out a simple fact . Men are like dogs , you feed us , give us some place warm to sleep , ocationaly rub our bellys , and let us run around with our friends , and we are happy puppys . Ladys are like cats , they will sweet talk you , then claw you , an NO BODY can figuer them out !!!!!!!

Several people already said this. All you did was repeat it via an analogy and add a lot of exclamation marks and capital letters to make it seem insightful. I think everyone knows what you're saying -- that's what we're talking about.

Whit · 09-30-2003, 10:45 PM

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From Bruce:
Whit, exactly where was I flirting in this thread???

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From Bruce:
Uh, no...I think that's perfectly clear...and proof.

      That line served no purpose other than to introduce and ingratiate you to her. In other words, flirt. Your just such a dirty old man you can't tell the difference between flirting and talking anymore. Here's how to tell, if it's something you wouldn't say to a guy in a similar circumstance, it's probably flirting. This isn't always accurate but it's pretty close.
      On the subject of flirting, a friend of mine once said it's the perfect form of communication. It's easy, there's no commitment, makes people feel good and nobody gets hurt. Another imperfect, yet interesting thought. It is pretty true if things never get past flirting.
      Now to catch up on the rest of this thread...

09-30-2003, 05:55 PM	#35
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	From Beestie: Women impute a motive to men's actions then hold them responsible for it without first verifying the validity of the assumption thereby placing the responsibility for their interpretation squarely on the man's shoulders. My personal observation has been, women remember every slight, real and imagined. Men usually have to really impressed (good or bad) with something to remember it. Whit, exactly where was I flirting in this thread??? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-30-2003, 06:40 PM	#37
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Damn all you folks over think every thing !!!!!!!!! I was raised by my mother , big sis , my moms best friend and her three daughters . My mom was the queen of batting her eye lashes and getting what she wanted from ANYBODY !!! I relate equaly well with men and ladys because i have figured out a simple fact . Men are like dogs , you feed us , give us some place warm to sleep , ocationaly rub our bellys , and let us run around with our friends , and we are happy puppys . Ladys are like cats , they will sweet talk you , then claw you , an NO BODY can figuer them out !!!!!!! Just my humble opinion __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

09-30-2003, 07:21 PM	#39
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	We bombin Bagdad with hookers now? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

09-30-2003, 07:22 PM	#40
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	QUOTE Ok - this is my point. Its not that I hate the female gender - far from it. I am very proud to be the woman that I am. I don't have to use stupid little airhead responses to shit. I am intelligent. If I don't know about something or how to do something, I have the balls to say I don't and I ask to learn. SNIP Balls? Interesting choice of terms considering balls is universally considered male. Anyone with the nerve, guts, steel, bravery or whatever is attributed with a male trait. Latent sexism? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-30-2003, 09:11 PM	#42
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	UT, you've never heard men are dogs? I've heard it a lot. Pigs too. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-30-2003, 02:32 PM	#31
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I know this might be drifting off topic a bit, but I thought I'd take this chance to put forth one of my rants that no one ever agrees with. It's important to remember that, when attempting to relate to someone, emphasizing your differences is not the way to go about it. You can only really relate to and identify with someone when you realize your similarities. This has obviously been done between blacks and whites in America, and it must also be done with men and women. Despite our differences, men and women (and people in general) are mostly the same. We go through many of the same circumstances and experience many of the same emotions and thought processes. We have many of the same feelings. This is hugely more significant than social strategies. Maybe my wife doesn't know what it's like to have to deal with male pride, but that is <i>not</i> the world. I don't know why many so people act as if it were. There are millions of other social intricacies and experiences in which men and women react exactly the same way. It has reached the point that our focus on the differences gets more in the way of relationships than the differences themselves! With all this said, I should reiterate that I do indeed recognize that men and women have their behavioral differences. However, if you keep repeating that mantra, then you'll never be able to relate to the opposite sex.

09-30-2003, 05:10 PM	#34
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	This whole sex thing. You can see my frustration!

09-30-2003, 06:52 PM	#38
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	To me, it seems like the very worst offense would be that this specific quality is referred to as "feminine" behavior. Because yes it's the difference that's defining. And usually "viva la difference" but when the difference is tactically using WEAKNESS... zip-man, I have never heard it put that way, but as usual you cut through all the BS. I could have said that with like five paragraphs... Having gone over the tactical use of weakness, we need a whole nother thread to talk about the tactical use of sexuality...

09-30-2003, 08:33 PM	#41
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	You could argue that the best pro-democratic offensive on the middle east would be a massive invasion of educated women demanding equal power. (The hookers...they can create a tactical diversion.)

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