Why do White House support Taiwan joining the WHO - Page 3

Undertoad · 05-22-2003, 09:45 AM

America started when it fought England for independence. The people of America are not like other countries because they come from everywhere else in the world. There are Americans from China, Africa, India, every European country. Even if someone comes from another country, if they are American citizens we say they are American.

We do not snatch the fortune of other countries. We found out how to become rich and we are happy to give the secrets to everyone who asks. We gave the secrets to South Korea and they are becoming rich too. We do not want their land or their women. We want them to be happy trade partners so we can become rich together.

Because we became America when we fought to separate from England, we like to help small countries if they want to be independent. The American culture wants to protect the victims.

russotto · 05-22-2003, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Billy
Most Taiwanese want to come back China mainland one day. They think the US can not give them a safe life, only their home town, mother, China. We are the same families.

Even if so, China is an abusive mother and it's a dysfunctional family.

BTW, I'm guessing most Taiwanese today were born in Taiwan, so there is no "coming back".

tw · 05-22-2003, 05:10 PM

Last time I looked, Taiwan considered mainland China as part of Taiwan. China simply a (larger) renegade part of the country. More silly political rhetoric. They are separate countries and will remain so until both countries agree otherwise - from one who never had much tolerance for compromises that don't solve problems.

China does know one fact that has been expressed by every previous president. If China attacks Taiwan, they will find themselves in direct conflict with the US. That has been stated specifically - sometimes by openly, publically, and agressively parading US aircraft carrier task forces in the Formosa Straits.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-22-2003, 08:36 PM

Don't be silly, TW.
RADAR said that can't happen.

elSicomoro · 05-22-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by Billy
The US family hope China family in confusion so they can snatch our fortune, beautiful girls, domain.

Nah, we don't want your girls. We prefer to get those from Vietnam, the Philippines, and Eastern Europe.

We do want your babies though. We have plenty of children for adoption here, but nobody really wants a black baby or an older child. A yellow baby is considered a good compromise for some white folks.

Undertoad · 05-22-2003, 09:18 PM

Now there's a language/cultural reference Billy won't appreciate: "yellow" babies.

I'm not sure I understand it myself.

elSicomoro · 05-22-2003, 09:22 PM

I was going to note that it was crude Sycamore-American humor, but that would have taken away from the original post. So, I'll say it here.

Billy, my comments were rather cynical and sarcastic. Though they were somewhat true, I tend to have a bizarre sense of humor, so my apologies in advance.

(He did seem to get the bra remark though.)

Billy · 05-23-2003, 07:12 AM

Some people like Chinese. I like you, not see one people as his skin color.

Radar · 05-23-2003, 12:38 PM

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China does know one fact that has been expressed by every previous president. If China attacks Taiwan, they will find themselves in direct conflict with the US. That has been stated specifically - sometimes by openly, publically, and agressively parading US aircraft carrier task forces in the Formosa Straits

That is absolutely false. America will not take part in any conflict between Taiwan and China. Our government has already stated this and the reason America won't do it is because we know it would be something we couldn't handle. The last thing in the world America wants to do is have more than a billion Chinese people fighting us.

China is the only country left that can keep America's imperialistic military intervention in check. Russia comes close too. I can absolutely guarantee without any doubt what-so-ever that if China and Taiwan got into a military conflict, America WOULD NOT take part in it at all. Not even as part of a U.N. force.

juju · 05-23-2003, 03:28 PM

Only very foolish people have no doubt.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-23-2003, 04:26 PM

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America WOULD NOT take part in it at all.

See, I told you so.:p

Radar · 05-24-2003, 02:13 AM

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Only very foolish people have no doubt.

No, only those who aren't sure because they've been wrong so many times in the past. I have no doubt because I know it to be true for a fact. I know 2+2=4 and I have no doubt about it. I know America wouldn't take part with no less certainty.

juju · 05-24-2003, 06:41 AM

Then you, sir, are an idiot.

elSicomoro · 05-24-2003, 11:33 AM

Billy, an interesting note about the crux of this thread, from the US Department of State:

Maintaining diplomatic relations with the P.R.C. has been recognized to be in the long-term interest of the United States by six consecutive administrations; however, maintaining strong, unofficial relations with Taiwan also is in the U.S. interest. The United States is committed to these efforts because they are important for America's global position and for peace and stability in Asia. In keeping with its one-China policy, the U.S. does not support Taiwan independence. The U.S. supports Taiwan's membership in appropriate international organizations, such as the WTO, APEC forum, and the Asian Development Bank, where statehood is not a requirement for membership. In addition, the U.S. supports appropriate opportunities for Taiwan's voice to be heard in organizations where its membership is not possible.

Radar · 05-24-2003, 12:57 PM

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Then you, sir, are an idiot.

Take a look in the mirror juju. And when you're done read what sycamore just posted. And pay particularly close attention to the part that says...

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In keeping with its one-China policy, the U.S. does not support Taiwan independence.

05-22-2003, 05:10 PM	#33
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Last time I looked, Taiwan considered mainland China as part of Taiwan. China simply a (larger) renegade part of the country. More silly political rhetoric. They are separate countries and will remain so until both countries agree otherwise - from one who never had much tolerance for compromises that don't solve problems. China does know one fact that has been expressed by every previous president. If China attacks Taiwan, they will find themselves in direct conflict with the US. That has been stated specifically - sometimes by openly, publically, and agressively parading US aircraft carrier task forces in the Formosa Straits. Last edited by tw; 05-22-2003 at 05:12 PM.

05-22-2003, 08:36 PM	#34
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Don't be silly, TW. RADAR said that can't happen. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-23-2003, 07:12 AM	#38
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	Girl=woman Some people like Chinese. I like you, not see one people as his skin color.

05-22-2003, 09:45 AM	#31
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	America started when it fought England for independence. The people of America are not like other countries because they come from everywhere else in the world. There are Americans from China, Africa, India, every European country. Even if someone comes from another country, if they are American citizens we say they are American. We do not snatch the fortune of other countries. We found out how to become rich and we are happy to give the secrets to everyone who asks. We gave the secrets to South Korea and they are becoming rich too. We do not want their land or their women. We want them to be happy trade partners so we can become rich together. Because we became America when we fought to separate from England, we like to help small countries if they want to be independent. The American culture wants to protect the victims.

05-22-2003, 09:18 PM	#36
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Now there's a language/cultural reference Billy won't appreciate: "yellow" babies. I'm not sure I understand it myself.

05-22-2003, 09:22 PM	#37
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I was going to note that it was crude Sycamore-American humor, but that would have taken away from the original post. So, I'll say it here. Billy, my comments were rather cynical and sarcastic. Though they were somewhat true, I tend to have a bizarre sense of humor, so my apologies in advance. (He did seem to get the bra remark though.)

05-23-2003, 03:28 PM	#40
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Only very foolish people have no doubt.

05-24-2003, 06:41 AM	#43
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Then you, sir, are an idiot.

05-24-2003, 11:33 AM	#44
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Billy, an interesting note about the crux of this thread, from the US Department of State: Maintaining diplomatic relations with the P.R.C. has been recognized to be in the long-term interest of the United States by six consecutive administrations; however, maintaining strong, unofficial relations with Taiwan also is in the U.S. interest. The United States is committed to these efforts because they are important for America's global position and for peace and stability in Asia. In keeping with its one-China policy, the U.S. does not support Taiwan independence. The U.S. supports Taiwan's membership in appropriate international organizations, such as the WTO, APEC forum, and the Asian Development Bank, where statehood is not a requirement for membership. In addition, the U.S. supports appropriate opportunities for Taiwan's voice to be heard in organizations where its membership is not possible.

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