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Gravdigr · 12-21-2017, 12:37 PM

I didn't say "as good as"...

Undertoad · 12-22-2017, 12:22 PM

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All it was was a science agency can't get funded in America, 2017 if they're suspected of doing "evidence-based" things.

Another way to look at this is, you can make people fund things they specifically disagree with, as long as your request contains the right language.

Flint · 12-22-2017, 12:24 PM

I'm still taken aback by the suggestion that funding decisions are based on a ctrl+f search.

I thought they had an army of lobbyists, can't they read things?

BigV · 12-22-2017, 01:56 PM

You dismiss it as quibbling, but I find the more important problem is the necessity, or even the fear or belief of the necessity of this tactic.

That we, as a country, citizens, scientists, politicians, all, can't agree on certain terms where an objectively correct and precise term exists, is not a quibble.. It should be an alarm. Certainly no one can be nor should be forced to listen to certain words. But being a politician is in some ways a package deal. Opting for an alternate word for "fetus" is nonsense. Opt to leave the room instead of requiring everyone else to distort reality.

That sounds like something a snowflake would do.

Flint · 12-22-2017, 02:00 PM

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Undertoad · 12-22-2017, 02:51 PM

The quibble words are the ones marked with an asterisk, biggie; it's a footnote.

Undertoad · 12-22-2017, 03:23 PM

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I say we disregard anything either one of them says about the other, unless they have a record of actually addressing that issue with equal intensity as their opponent did.

A sensible approach sir.

Flint · 12-22-2017, 04:03 PM

Would it be safe to say, then, that 'climate change' is one of the legitimate issues?

I mention it, at the top of the list, because it meets the criteria (one side works very hard to address the issue, in concert with their admonishment of the other side for not acknowledging the issue), and because it does appear, if we have any faith in science (the originator of every major advancement to the civilization we, effortlessly, participate in), that it really is quite a critical, time-sensitive issue.

Undertoad · 12-22-2017, 04:49 PM

Critical for what now?

Flint · 12-22-2017, 04:52 PM

Principal: continuation of our civilization in its present form, without significant changes to baseline human habitability conditions/standards. Secondary: continuation of global ecosystem without significant changes to baseline habitability conditions for non-voting life forms.

Undertoad · 12-22-2017, 04:53 PM

Need more detail. How's that going to happen?

Flint · 12-22-2017, 04:56 PM

No. Not doing this.

Flint · 12-22-2017, 04:56 PM

I'm not doing gas-lighting performance art today.

Undertoad · 12-22-2017, 05:04 PM

Nothing much going on, on a pre-holiday Friday night. I'm totally prepared to whomp out five paragraphs that nobody will read.

Flint · 12-22-2017, 05:14 PM

Yeah, I would have loved to quote the shit out of those paragraphs and make line-by-line rebuttals which would each spawn their own semantic rabbit-holes, creating an exponential vortex of misunderstandings and stubborn refusals to acknowledge even the most innocuous statements of the areas where we obviously agree--having been initiated into the sequence of confrontational debate tactics, and mutually unable to disengage from the formal dance of the amateur pundits; but on the other hand I'm tired--very tired, and I can't afford to do anything else in my life that will leave me filled with regret over the enormous amount of energy I've poured out into a pointless exercise in absolute uselessness that will benefit nobody, ever.

12-21-2017, 12:37 PM	#1
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12-22-2017, 12:24 PM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I'm still taken aback by the suggestion that funding decisions are based on a ctrl+f search. I thought they had an army of lobbyists, can't they read things? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-22-2017, 01:56 PM	#4
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	You dismiss it as quibbling, but I find the more important problem is the necessity, or even the fear or belief of the necessity of this tactic. That we, as a country, citizens, scientists, politicians, all, can't agree on certain terms where an objectively correct and precise term exists, is not a quibble.. It should be an alarm. Certainly no one can be nor should be forced to listen to certain words. But being a politician is in some ways a package deal. Opting for an alternate word for "fetus" is nonsense. Opt to leave the room instead of requiring everyone else to distort reality. That sounds like something a snowflake would do. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

12-22-2017, 02:00 PM	#5
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	... Attached Images __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-22-2017, 04:03 PM	#8
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Would it be safe to say, then, that 'climate change' is one of the legitimate issues? I mention it, at the top of the list, because it meets the criteria (one side works very hard to address the issue, in concert with their admonishment of the other side for not acknowledging the issue), and because it does appear, if we have any faith in science (the originator of every major advancement to the civilization we, effortlessly, participate in), that it really is quite a critical, time-sensitive issue. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-22-2017, 02:51 PM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The quibble words are the ones marked with an asterisk, biggie; it's a footnote.

12-22-2017, 04:49 PM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Critical for what now?

12-22-2017, 04:52 PM	#10
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Principal: continuation of our civilization in its present form, without significant changes to baseline human habitability conditions/standards. Secondary: continuation of global ecosystem without significant changes to baseline habitability conditions for non-voting life forms. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-22-2017, 04:53 PM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Need more detail. How's that going to happen?

12-22-2017, 04:56 PM	#12
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	No. Not doing this. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

12-22-2017, 05:04 PM	#14
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Nothing much going on, on a pre-holiday Friday night. I'm totally prepared to whomp out five paragraphs that nobody will read.

12-22-2017, 05:14 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Yeah, I would have loved to quote the shit out of those paragraphs and make line-by-line rebuttals which would each spawn their own semantic rabbit-holes, creating an exponential vortex of misunderstandings and stubborn refusals to acknowledge even the most innocuous statements of the areas where we obviously agree--having been initiated into the sequence of confrontational debate tactics, and mutually unable to disengage from the formal dance of the amateur pundits; but on the other hand I'm tired--very tired, and I can't afford to do anything else in my life that will leave me filled with regret over the enormous amount of energy I've poured out into a pointless exercise in absolute uselessness that will benefit nobody, ever. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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