Public Schools Pay Teachers 50% Above Market, Heritage Analysis Finds

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Also, Pennsylvania requires that certified teachers at a minimum have a bachelor’s degree and have completed an approved program of teacher education.
So lets be careful before we start saying they need MBA's or PhD's.

Let's be more careful reading what was written before misrepresenting it. Many stated require masters. For example, New Jersey teachers can get a job only with a bachelors. But are required to obtain a masters after so many years. That requirement was first implemented in the late 1970s.

In a state where so many teachers have a masters, New Jersey has one of the nation's more successful education systems. But the average salary is listed at only $61,000. Teachers with so many years of experience are paid less than an MBA with zero years experience? Did the Heritage Foundation forget to include these numbers by accident?

Nobody said an administrator 'needs' an PhD. But superintendents routinely have PhDs. Please read what was posted before misrepresenting it.

Why does the Heritage Foundation claim teachers are overpaid? Preaching myths to wacko extremists. Making claims devoid of facts or numbers.

The topic is not teacher’s salaries. The topic is how wacko extremists invent bogeymen for political purposes. A trend is obvious. Teachers are not overpaid. Why did the Heritage Foundation decide to paint teaches as greedy and evil? Hate gets the least educated to support wacko extremism.

If the Heritage Foundation was honest, then their paper would have included all those above numbers.

[classicman]

Interesting, thanks. That is certainly not what the site said. It only listed those states. No further specifics.

[Griff]

I suspect the BA only gets you provisional (Level I) certification and new teachers will have to get their Master's degree or equivalent coursework to achieve permanent (Level II) certification... but I don't know that for sure.

[classicman]

I forgot the link for that part. Here it is.

I think you are right. Upon further reading I saw this.

Pennsylvania will accept some teaching credentials from the following states. Contact the Pennsylvania Department of Education to inquire about your specific situation. Please see our interstate reciprocity disclaimer for more information.

Thats not what I think reciprocity means. but hey, I'll not split hairs.

[classicman]

I posted plenty of numbers. I countered that which the Heritage posted and that which you posted incorrectly.
Again, you are incorrect in comparing them ALL to MBA's and as far as NJ. It is FAR easier to get a teaching job with far less credentials in NJ than it is in PA.

Now go crawl back into the basement and leave me out of you little holier than thou
bullshit.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Now go crawl back into the basement and leave me out of you little holier than thou
bullshit.

So you are wrong again. Cannot admit it. And again lash out with child like emotion.

I love it.

[Undertoad]

My 7th grade teacher who smacked me across the face, knocking me to the floor, was overpaid. He had his Doctorate.

[HungLikeJesus]

Did he hit you with his rhythm stick?

[Clodfobble]

Classic, just don't. Let it go.

Fun fact: tw also loves olives.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Classic! Just don't let it go.

--snip.

Could be punctuation blindness.

[Undertoad]

Taking Clods advice with one caveat

i.e., not taking Clod's advice.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Classic, just don't. Let it go.

Originally Posted by classicman

Taking Clods advice with one caveat

Originally Posted by Undertoad

i.e., not taking Clod's advice.

This is just the kind of stuff that teachers have to put up with. You couldn't pay me enough. I'd rather pick lettuce for 12 cents a bushel.

The Heritage Foundation - aka "Why every one except the rich people who fund us is an overpaid peasant who should be happy he or she even has a job"

Who the *** has similar job skills and education to teachers except for teachers?

[DanaC]

Excellent question, Rich.

It does baffle me a little the attitude we have to teachers in Britain and America. When we refer to them as 'public servants' or 'public sector workers' we seemingly lump them into the same mental space as traffic wardens, school dinner ladies, and refuse collectors. All of whom do very worthy jobs, but none of whom are equivalents.

These are the people who are educating our children. How can they be so dismissed and disparaged as they are? Years of education and training to be able to do what they do, yet we afford them so little cultural respect. Why?

Maybe because educating our children also sits in the same mental space as raising our children. Those who teach at a higher level have greater status. Not just because they are further along in the system but because by then the job is not 'tainted' by its association with the quintessentially domestic task of raising children. In short, teaching is women's work. Morover it is 'motherly' work. Far greater numbers of women than men teaching school aged children. This is even more the case at primary (kindergarten and elementary) education. We see this as an 'instinctive' task, rather than a highly skilled task requiring years of training.

Fucking depressing sometimes.

Added to that is the current tendency towards anti-intellectualism. We don't like clever people. Too clever by half. Too clever for their own good. Clever clogs.

We want homespun wisdom. Stuff we can get our own heads around. Experts and clever epople mustbe looking down on us. Our knowledge is as valid as theirs, whether we have acquired it through school or made it up as we've gone along. My view counts just as much as theirs. Why should they get special treatment? Why is their opinion given more weight than mine? What are they hiding from us, behind their couched words?

It's a double whammy.

[regular.joe]

The Heritage Foundation is a self admitted conservative organization, with an agenda.

Founded in 1973, The Heritage Foundation is a research and educational institution—a think tank—whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.

I understand that talk. No taxes, personal responsibility and individual freedom comes before social responsibility. If you can't make enough to send your kids to a good school, that's your fault. Why should I have to pay taxes to send your kids to public school? That is really the message.

Heritage is putting out numbers and information to be quoted by our Republican candidates for office. Just calling it like I see it.

[Cotillion]

No money is too much to pay people to put up with narcissistic, unhygienic, melodramatic, emotionally unstable and stroppy pre-adults all day long.