Beef. . . Its What's For Dinner! - Page 3

zippyt · 06-05-2010, 06:49 PM

No Crab leggs are for dinner

Nirvana · 06-05-2010, 06:51 PM

I am having panko/almond coated tilapia :P

jinx · 06-05-2010, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Oral antibiotics, especially those that act on Gram
positive organisms, became widely used at sub-therapeutic levels for their consistent ability to
improve the growth of livestock (Crawford, 1983; Droumev, 1983). While part of the reason for
this practice is to reduce the risk of disease, it is also accepted that regular intake of oral
antibiotics as feed additives has a direct nutrient sparing effect and reduces the production of
urea, methane, and ammonia in the intestine, among other effects (Visek, 1978; Walton, 1983).
The rationale for the use of antibiotics as growth promoters has been established (Luetzow,
1997). A modulating effect on either the metabolic activity of certain intestinal microorganisms,
or a shift of the balance of the microbial ecosystem, which constitutes an essential
part of mammalian digestion, is the proposed mechanism of action. These effects are observed at
use levels which are far lower than those achieved in therapeutic use. More efficient digestion
during the administration of low levels of anti-microbials decreases the amount of feed necessary
to raise and to fatten domestic animals. The beneficial effects of sub-therapeutic doses of
antibiotics have not decreased since these effects became known in the 1950’s (Frost, 1991).

This is from the USDA link above. I realize it's from 2007, I don't think that's long enough ago to discount it based on age alone. More recent information on the topic points to legislation to end the practice, so obviously that hasn't happened yet...

Nirvana · 06-05-2010, 07:00 PM

I think that is more for mono gastric animals rather than ruminants but thanks for the insight.

Undertoad · 06-05-2010, 07:02 PM

The USDA link is from 2007, but its cites are from 1983, 1978, 1997 and 1991.

jinx · 06-05-2010, 07:06 PM

They don't need to study the effects of antibiotics every year do they UT? Once they knew how things worked they went with it, and apparently still do.

Undertoad · 06-05-2010, 07:11 PM

Yes, my mistake; I had interpreted

"Oral antibiotics, especially those that act on Gram positive organisms, became widely used at sub-therapeutic levels for their consistent ability to improve the growth of livestock (Crawford, 1983; Droumev, 1983)."

...as meaning that Oral antibiotics became widely used at sub-therapeutic levels (1983)

but I think I interpreted that incorrectly and the (1983) studies mention their consistent ability to improve the growth of livestock.

Carry on. And sorry LJ.

lumberjim · 06-05-2010, 07:53 PM

don't let it happen again.

wait.... sorry for wut?

Undertoad · 06-05-2010, 08:00 PM

I was skeptical about something jinx posted. I know you hate that.

lumberjim · 06-05-2010, 08:29 PM

well, as long as you're not being passive aggressive, we're cool.

Undertoad · 06-05-2010, 09:07 PM

lumberjim · 06-05-2010, 10:08 PM

what does that smiley indicate?

morethanpretty · 06-05-2010, 10:15 PM

passive-aggressiveness

HungLikeJesus · 06-05-2010, 11:22 PM

I thought it was aggressive-passiveness.

lumberjim · 06-05-2010, 11:51 PM

well, i'd prefer to discuss an issue like men instead of making vague references and posting smileys to convey how I feel.... but I can't carry out BOTH sides of a discussion... so If you just want to let it drop, I won't press the issue, Tony.

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06-05-2010, 07:00 PM	#34
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I think that is more for mono gastric animals rather than ruminants but thanks for the insight. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

06-05-2010, 07:06 PM	#36
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	They don't need to study the effects of antibiotics every year do they UT? Once they knew how things worked they went with it, and apparently still do. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

06-05-2010, 07:53 PM	#38
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06-05-2010, 07:02 PM	#35
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The USDA link is from 2007, but its cites are from 1983, 1978, 1997 and 1991.

06-05-2010, 07:11 PM	#37
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yes, my mistake; I had interpreted "Oral antibiotics, especially those that act on Gram positive organisms, became widely used at sub-therapeutic levels for their consistent ability to improve the growth of livestock (Crawford, 1983; Droumev, 1983)." ...as meaning that Oral antibiotics became widely used at sub-therapeutic levels (1983) but I think I interpreted that incorrectly and the (1983) studies mention their consistent ability to improve the growth of livestock. Carry on. And sorry LJ.

06-05-2010, 08:00 PM	#39
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I was skeptical about something jinx posted. I know you hate that.

06-05-2010, 08:29 PM	#40
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	well, as long as you're not being passive aggressive, we're cool. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

06-05-2010, 09:07 PM	#41
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06-05-2010, 10:08 PM	#42
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06-05-2010, 11:51 PM	#45
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	well, i'd prefer to discuss an issue like men instead of making vague references and posting smileys to convey how I feel.... but I can't carry out BOTH sides of a discussion... so If you just want to let it drop, I won't press the issue, Tony. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

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