Eagles @ Cowboys

[lumberjim]

nfl is not fixed. you should be

[W.HI.P]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

nfl is not fixed. you should be

you can believe that.
and when my eagles eliminate your cowboys next week, you can call it another coincidence.

[W.HI.P]

in 2007, the tampa bay rays finished in last place overall in major league baseball.
before the 2008 season, i pointed them out as the best team in the al east [ny yankees, boston red sox, toronto blue jays, baltimore orioles].
now, what are you saying exactly, that it was a lucky guess.
or could it be that they were one of the best teams in baseball in 2007, and even 2006.
i say, they finished in last place for several years in order to pick
3rd baseman longoria, starting pitcher price and short stop beckham.
if i'm correct, and in fact they were aiming for these draft picks, that means they lost many many games on purpose .....this is a type of fixing.
fixing that takes place in all sports that have the drafting system....nfl, nhl, nba

[Elspode]

So...the Royals have been absolutely awful for 25 years now. If I follow this line of thinking, then they should be winning the World Series any day now?

[W.HI.P]

Originally Posted by Elspode

So...the Royals have been absolutely awful for 25 years now. If I follow this line of thinking, then they should be winning the World Series any day now?

no, you'd have to spend time watching minor league baseball to determine who to draft....teams spend millions of dollars on people who do this job....some are good at it, some are not so good.
the royals, since you mention it, picked up players like snyder, stodolka, griffin, and lubanski with their 1st round picks ....these are players who never see the light of day.
i didn't tmind their pick this draft [crow]

you think maybe the atlanta thrashers might have lost a few games on purpose the year Ilya Kovalchuk was in the draft.
or better yet, if you had a team in 2003, the season ovechkin was becoming available in the draft, you might lose some extra games as to finish in last place overall as to pick up this superstar.
drafting is key in the success of a franchise.
finishing in last place, even though your team is capable of making the play-offs is quite common.
that requires fixing games.

[W.HI.P]

Originally Posted by jinx

Why do they care who they draft then, if money and not talent wins the games?

i never said anything about winning.
the massive amounts of money that are wagered in the nfl, is on the pointspread.
they don't need to alter very much to be under or over a spread.

if there is the equivilant money of 2 nuclear bombs on the line, that will either end up in their hands or in the people's hands, which hands do you think it will end up in?

the nfl is in existance, and is funded by the money that is gambled.
the kind of balances that are in the air in each season, especially play-off time, is greater than the money that the nhl, nba, nfl, and mlb make combined.
this money is what its all about, and no grown men playing with a ball are going to mess with the balance of that money.
it is all under control, and the anual gross is greater than most countries make.
i guess the real question here is, who's on top of this pyramid?
i can tell you that they're not local

[Elspode]

Is it...The Illuminati?

So, let's summarize:

1) The ultimate outcome of NFL, and most other sports, is based on who gets drafted, which is in turn based upon who finishes last?

2) So much money is bet on NFL games (let's just leave it at that for the sake of argument) that it is bad business for the outcome of a given game, or at least the point spread, not to be known with certainty before the contest begins?

So, knowing what you know, please provide me with the winners of the first round of the playoffs? Because I can get by just on a win/lose bet easily, I don't need the riskier proposition of a bet on the spread.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

i never said anything about winning.
the massive amounts of money that are wagered in the nfl, is on the pointspread.
they don't need to alter very much to be under or over a spread.

Ok, my mistake, it's just the losing that's fixed, and the point spread, gotcha.
So what specifically do they do to not make the spread? What exactly do they alter? And who are they?

Also, why did the Eagles lose by so much (24-0)?

[Elspode]

That's easy...to increase the bets on the Cowboys to win, so that the odds are higher against the Iggles. Then, when they win the game, more money is there to be made. I think he referenced that concept earlier.

[xoxoxoBruce]

OK, granted there's money of Biblical proportions bet on each game, but the franchises aren't seeing that money. That's all peripheral to the actual teams, so they must be throwing games for draft choice.

Unless the gamblers are "tipping" the owners. Hmm, so when a franchise is valued at say a billion dollars, it's not because of TV revenues and t shirt sales.

[W.HI.P]

bruce, to help you see it a little more clearly, there's been an nfl game with an 18 billion dollar differential.
thats a plus or a minus.
coincidently, the people lost....or you think maybe it wasn't a coincidence.
do you really think 18 billion dollars is left to chance on wether eli manning or tom brady throw the ball well?

if the nfl had to depend on tv revenues and t-shirt sales, it would have shut down last millennium.

[xoxoxoBruce]

OK, so you're saying the team owners are owned by gambling interests... or are the gambling interests.

[W.HI.P]

what i'm saying is that the money out-weighs the sport... by far, and therefore controls it.
the crime commited, is through the media.
the media which guides the perception.
the perception which guides the money.
the money, obviously, taken.

[wolf]

I didn't see a poll choice for "The Cowboys are a bunch of pussies but will beat the Eagles anyway."

[elSicomoro]

3 of the 4 games this weekend are rematches of last weekend...I think the Eagles will take this one.