Jackson Death: How do you feel about it? - Page 3

skysidhe · 06-26-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

don't really care.

I was gutted by the death of Nicholas Hughes.

Same, except it was layne staley's death which I found so tragic I wept a whole day. Mostly for the lonley state in which he died and no fan fare, media coverage.

Superficially I wonder what makes M.J. so much more worthy.
( only for a split second and then it's back to apathy )

Shawnee123 · 06-26-2009, 10:50 AM

I don't think the media coverage is about worthiness or non-worthiness, I think it's just that people had heard of MJ.

Beestie · 06-26-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

For one thing, I've always wondered about the parents who allowed sleepovers when his urges, for want of a better word, were in question.

Good question. Not unlike other institutional cases of suspected or documented child abuse, the parents either aren't aware or unable to acknowledge the potential for abuse. Some of the parents might themselves be abusers or past victims who, never having come to terms with their own victimization, just don't see what's plain as day to the rest of us. Some of the parents were so in awe of MJ that I don't think they could even conceive what might happen not to mention that he was very generous with many of the parents some of whom were of modest means.

Its as unfortunate as it is inevitable that those who seek to prey on the defenseless will always be able to find an innocent victim.

Cloud · 06-26-2009, 11:14 AM

I've never been a big fan of his, or of pop music in general, but there's no denying what a big star he was, and what a big impact he had on music and dance. In particular, every hip hop, R&B, and So You Think You Can Dance type people owe a major debt to him--it was all from him.

As to his personal life--I think there was something in him that never really grew up. It was internal, as well as deliberate. I don't know if he suffered abuse, or was an abuser himself, but I think there was something off about him sexually--I never really bought his presence in the videos where he was supposed to be "bad" or "sexy."

Shawnee123 · 06-26-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

Good question. Not unlike other institutional cases of suspected or documented child abuse, the parents either aren't aware or unable to acknowledge the potential for abuse. Some of the parents might themselves be abusers or past victims who, never having come to terms with their own victimization, just don't see what's plain as day to the rest of us. Some of the parents were so in awe of MJ that I don't think they could even conceive what might happen not to mention that he was very generous with many of the parents some of whom were of modest means.

Its as unfortunate as it is inevitable that those who seek to prey on the defenseless will always be able to find an innocent victim.

All of this is true. However, I still see another angle. Not all parents are good ones. I believe the potential existed for the down the road accusations, whether anything untoward occurred or not. I believe it's easy to say one didn't know or were jaded by their past experiences. There are people who play victim, and who use their children to get attention and perhaps payoff in retribution for their past victimization.

This is, of course, as much speculation as is those who are sure it happened. I don't know that it did or didn't, but I think we need to look seriously at all sides of possibility.

End result is same: if abuse did indeed happen, the children were victims...this is the sad bottom line. Adults, regardless of their past or their financial situation or aspirations or even stupidity, are charged with making their children safe. It is their choice to not do so, and in my opinion, allowing sleepovers in this situation is a choice to throw the safety of their children to the wind in exchange for whatever they thought might be afforded them.

Undertoad · 06-26-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

We'll know very soon: the coroner's report is due tomorrow 12 noon pacific time, or 15 hours from now.

Oh now I get it: the initial autopsy report doesn't include toxicology lab work that takes a few weeks to happen.

dar512 · 06-26-2009, 12:40 PM

They keep calling him the king of pop. If he ever was the king of pop, he hasn't been since thriller.

Shawnee123 · 06-26-2009, 12:41 PM

They can deny you a job if they find anything in your piss in a quickie lab test, but it takes weeks to see if there were toxins in MJ's system?

dar512 · 06-26-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

They can deny you a job if they find anything in your piss in a quickie lab test, but it takes weeks to see if there were toxins in MJ's system?

That's because it's so hard to get 'em to piss once they're dead.

Shawnee123 · 06-26-2009, 12:44 PM

Don't I know it!

Oh, um...ooops.

TheMercenary · 06-26-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

They can deny you a job if they find anything in your piss in a quickie lab test, but it takes weeks to see if there were toxins in MJ's system?

Much different test. Pee tests are limited in scope and specificity. Hair, blood, and bone will tell the tale.

Shawnee123 · 06-26-2009, 01:03 PM

Next time a potential employer wants a piss test, I'm going to ask them to do an autopsy, for accuracy.

Trilby · 06-26-2009, 03:00 PM

I would just like to ask where can I go to get a daily shot of Demerol?

Coz I'm liking the Demerol. Makes the world go all fuzzy and stuff.

dar512 · 06-26-2009, 03:08 PM

Doesn't seem to have worked out too well in the long run, though.

BigV · 06-26-2009, 03:10 PM

I'd travel south to be a part of the adoring grieving throng, but by the time I got there, he'd already be dead.

View Poll Results: Jackson's Death: How do you feel about it?
Gutted. it's the day the boogie died	0	0%
Saddened. And his poor children...	14	26.42%
Meh. Didn't know him, wasn't into his music	12	22.64%
Unsurprised. Lifestyle choices like that, bound to happen	13	24.53%
Glad. One less kiddy-fiddler to worry about	2	3.77%
Something else (please explain if you can)	12	22.64%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

06-26-2009, 10:50 AM	#32
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I don't think the media coverage is about worthiness or non-worthiness, I think it's just that people had heard of MJ. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-26-2009, 11:14 AM	#34
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I've never been a big fan of his, or of pop music in general, but there's no denying what a big star he was, and what a big impact he had on music and dance. In particular, every hip hop, R&B, and So You Think You Can Dance type people owe a major debt to him--it was all from him. As to his personal life--I think there was something in him that never really grew up. It was internal, as well as deliberate. I don't know if he suffered abuse, or was an abuser himself, but I think there was something off about him sexually--I never really bought his presence in the videos where he was supposed to be "bad" or "sexy." __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-26-2009, 12:40 PM	#37
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	They keep calling him the king of pop. If he ever was the king of pop, he hasn't been since thriller. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

06-26-2009, 12:41 PM	#38
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	They can deny you a job if they find anything in your piss in a quickie lab test, but it takes weeks to see if there were toxins in MJ's system? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-26-2009, 12:44 PM	#40
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Don't I know it! Oh, um...ooops. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-26-2009, 01:03 PM	#42
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Next time a potential employer wants a piss test, I'm going to ask them to do an autopsy, for accuracy. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-26-2009, 03:00 PM	#43
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I would just like to ask where can I go to get a daily shot of Demerol? Coz I'm liking the Demerol. Makes the world go all fuzzy and stuff. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

06-26-2009, 03:08 PM	#44
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Doesn't seem to have worked out too well in the long run, though. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

06-26-2009, 03:10 PM	#45
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	I'd travel south to be a part of the adoring grieving throng, but by the time I got there, he'd already be dead. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

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