Fairness Doctrine Floats Back to the Top

[TheMercenary]

Yea, totally sar/ /casm.

I just deliver it differently.

[TheMercenary]

California Attorney General Jerry Brown. On Michael Savage's talk show discussing the Fairness Doctrine, Former Governor Moonbeam actually said "A little state control never hurt anybody."

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/02...-doctrine.html

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

California Attorney General Jerry Brown. On Michael Savage's talk show discussing the Fairness Doctrine, Former Governor Moonbeam actually said "A little state control never hurt anybody."

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/02...-doctrine.html

[Urbane Guerrilla]

It's getting its impetus from the creeping feeling that the nation as a whole is no longer behind the left-liberal, big-government paradigm, the way it was in the Thirties and Forties. What they're unable to acknowledge is this is because of a couple generations' experience with it now, and the greater part of the population is now sure this is not in line with what they value in life, let alone in politics.

So the creepier corners of the left-of-center demographic hope to create a government monopoly on information by this means -- the classic twentieth-century information dictatorship, all the while withholding the information that that is what this is, however small it be writ. The thinking is, I believe, forty years out of date in itself, and it exhibits the final failure of the "progressives (always to be understood as chiefly progressive of the power of the omnicompetent State)" to remake humanity in the image they'd like. Now they're trying to mandate advertisement for their nostrums by Federal law, since they can't sell it in the market. This is a failure more profound than they seem to comprehend, but comprehension of anything outside their limited circle of ideas is not a left-liberal strong suit, is it?

[classicman]

No, in fact I think your whole premise is wrong and you built your entire post upon a faulty assumption.

[Happy Monkey]

More than just the post- his entire worldview.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

It's getting its impetus from the creeping feeling that the nation as a whole is no longer behind the left-liberal, big-government paradigm, the way it was in the Thirties and Forties. What they're unable to acknowledge is this is because of a couple generations' experience with it now, and the greater part of the population is now sure this is not in line with what they value in life, let alone in politics.

So the creepier corners of the left-of-center demographic hope to create a government monopoly on information by this means -- the classic twentieth-century information dictatorship, all the while withholding the information that that is what this is, however small it be writ. The thinking is, I believe, forty years out of date in itself, and it exhibits the final failure of the "progressives (always to be understood as chiefly progressive of the power of the omnicompetent State)" to remake humanity in the image they'd like. Now they're trying to mandate advertisement for their nostrums by Federal law, since they can't sell it in the market. This is a failure more profound than they seem to comprehend, but comprehension of anything outside their limited circle of ideas is not a left-liberal strong suit, is it?

That was GREAT! It mixed narrow-mindedness, paranoia, and utter partisanship in one concise post!

Can I steal that? I bet I could get banned at DU again in about 20 seconds.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

TGRR, incomprehension on your part doesn't equal incorrectness on mine. If you can't follow the idea, there is something important that you missed. I don't know exactly what that something is, but my God, your complacency is both misplaced, and highly convenient to people I don't think you'd want running important parts of your life.

None of this is some vast leftwing conspiracy. It's nothing so organized. It's a cultural mindset. The Left isn't getting its way any more, it's not leading the national opinion the way it used to, and some of them have hit on the idea of "well, we'll make 'em listen to us, by law!"

And its proponents are saying "oh no, we won't be shutting down anybody..." going on to name a couple of people usually, and that immediately sets off the bullshit alarms. We've heard the "Oh, no, we're not going to have (negative effect X)" routine before, and the negative effect shows up anyway. NRA people are particularly experienced in this regard, likewise the JPFO.

Sounds like cooler heads are beginning to prevail on this score, though. It's losing steam fast, which probably means email traffic to Congressmen's offices is well up and vociferously disapproving of the whole idea.

When you know Washington is never permanently working in your interest, that's not paranoia. "Narrow-mindedness" here seems to mean "of enough wisdom to disagree with TGRR about something." "Utter partisanship?" Lose the "utter," and never talk of it like it was a bad thing -- there are people cluttering up offices in Washington who shouldn't merit your support, and it's amazing how many of them are socialists who call themselves Democrats. TGRR, they ain't worth it. The Left is sinking into a collective maladjustment, and there's no health in them.

Notice that no part of your post carries anything remotely resembling a refutation of what I set forth in mine -- all you have expressed is the ill-advised refusal to credit something that may be wiser or more realistic than your take on it.

I recently ran across mention of something in Faust: Mephistopheles tells Faust, "Aye -- think so still, till experience change thy mind."

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

More than just the post- his entire worldview.

Monkey, I'll take mine over yours ten billion times; I pursue quality ideas, whereas what are you satisfied with? I sharply question the idea, HM, that you've chosen anything truly worth keeping; I don't see that anything I've chosen sucks, and I doubt you could show it. What you do show me is an attachment to, well, shoddy thought. I see this kind of second-bestness from the people who bellow at me constantly.

I reject leftist ideas on their merits. What's your story?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by classicman

No, in fact I think your whole premise is wrong and you built your entire post upon a faulty assumption.

And your idea of a better premise and assumption would be...?

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

And your idea of a better premise and assumption would be...?

Anything you haven't said.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

the nation as a whole is no longer behind the left-liberal, big-government paradigm, the way it was in the Thirties and Forties.

Shall we review the past two election results? This is where I believe you started way off track.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

So the creepier corners of the left-of-center demographic hope to create a government monopoly on information by this means -- the classic twentieth-century information dictatorship, all the while withholding the information

You mean what the Bush Admin did? Are you upset that the "other side" seems to have learned and may be doing the same thing?

I think what is happening here is the radical right who has been so vocal appears to be unable to deal with being the minority, a very small one at that.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by classicman

You mean what the Bush Admin did? Are you upset that the "other side" seems to have learned and may be doing the same thing?

Especially when the "leftist" version of "withholding the information" is "posting it on the internet in a form that Rush Limbaugh doesn't know how to search".

[TheMercenary]

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

TGRR, incomprehension on your part doesn't equal incorrectness on mine. If you can't follow the idea, there is something important that you missed.

A monster-size case of partisanship?