Spending for health care

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Brianna

again, I say.

When you've walked a mile in my shoes, you can give me some advice. Until then, I'd appreciate it if you'd just MYOB where I'm concerned. You don't care for me and I don't care for you, so---what's the point of communicating?[

[Trilby]

I wasn't talking to YOU.

Besides, I'm certain you have me on 'ignore'

[TheMercenary]

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

How do you provide "affordable health care" to the 600,000 workers just laid off last month? COBRA? How do they pay for that?

We do. Those of us still working, and the companies that employ us.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Obama promises universal health care, he says it over and over.

At no point does he say "single payer".

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Brianna

screw you! I ruined my health under W!

And just what were you doing under W?

Back to Merc's original article....since Merc wont accept that Obama has never pledged to provide free health care to all and that universal means accessible and affordable quality health care for all.

Citing one layperson's unsupported opinion in an editorial that the stimulus bill has a provision that will enable Obama to implement his and Daschel's "so-called policy" to have the government "monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective" does not make it a fact. Damn, Merc...go to the source and read the provision in the bill. I cited it earlier just for you!

What it does is perpetuate bullshit that went from the one editorial writer (with an agenda) to Limbaugh and Drudge (with an agenda) to right wing blogs (dare I say it..with an agenda) and eventually to political forums like the Cellar...where the wing nuts who started the ball rolling hope that ultimately,the more it is repeated, the more likely it might be accepted as factual.

Merc..you can keep playing your role in this farcical charade called "the Obama administration is out to control your life and turn the US into a bastion of socialism" if it makes you feel better, it wont make the allegation any more factual.

[classicman]

Morning everyone - Did I miss anything?

[Shawnee123]

Jebus H Cripes...

That is all.

Originally Posted by classicman

Morning everyone - Did I miss anything?

I expect the political melodrama, Socialism in America or How I Became a Foot Soldier in the Wingers War to Save the Country, will have at least a four-year run.

I'm hoping it will be extending for eight. It is highly entertaining...the down side is that it makes Rush a fatter cat every day. His listeners will be on the edge of their chair waiting for the next installment.

Stayed tuned. That next act may bring in a new element...the "nefarious" stimulus bill is anti-religion!

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee warned supporters Tuesday that the $828 billion stimulus package is "anti-religious."

In an e-mail that was also posted on his blog ahead of the Senate's passage, Huckabee wrote: "The dust is settling on the 'bipartisan' stimulus bill and one thing is clear: It is anti-religious."

The former Republican presidential candidate pointed to a provision in both the House and Senate versions banning higher education funds in the bill from being used on a "school or department of divinity."

"You would think the ACLU drafted this bill," Huckabee said. "For all of the talk about bipartisanship, this Congress is blatantly liberal...."

...this myth has been making the rounds in right-wing circles for about a week. Originally, the American Center for Law and Justice, a right-wing legal group formed by TV preacher Pat Robertson, said the stimulus bill includes a provision that would prohibit "religious groups and organizations from using" buildings on college campuses. Soon after, religious right groups and right-wing blogs were up in arms, demanding that lawmakers fix the "anti-Christian" language of the bill. Fox News and the Christian Broadcasting Network helped get the word out to the far-right base about the nefarious measure.

There was, however, one small problem: there was no such measure. The ACLJ doesn't know how to read legislation, and didn't realize that the standard language in the bill simply blocks spending for on-campus buildings that are used primarily for religion (like a chapel, for example). This same language has been part of education spending bills for 46 years. It's just the law, and it's never been controversial.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._02/016836.php

[sugarpop]

I am not even going to read this thread, I'm just going to say this:

I am sick to death of conservative whining that we need lower corporate taxes because American corporations can't compete globally. One reason they can't compete is because of health care costs. Every other industrailized country in the world has government health care. When conservatives are willing to give US the same fucking health care they get in Congress, then I will happy to support lower corporate taxes. Until then, they can kiss my ass.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Every other industrailized country in the world has government health care.

I noticed these 2 articles when I was reading about the fires is AUS...
Don't assume everything is all rainbows and gummy bears in government health care land. You don't even have to read about it other countries, ask the people here who are on government health care how much they like it...

Medibank Private to open own emergency wards


Claims of cover-ups, bungled care at Bundaberg hospital

[sugarpop]

I'm not claiming it is perfect in other countries, but that they have access to it. I think we should look at what other countries do, and adopt things that would work here. There is no such thing as a perfect system, I don't believe. Ours certainly doesn't work very well though, unless you are fortunate enough to work somewhere that still has good benefits, or unless you can afford good insurance (which doesn't always end up being as good as you think).

Why is OK that taxpayers end up subsidizing health care for employees of rich corporations like WalMart, when they can obviously afford to supply it? Why do we put up with that? Those people don't make enough to buy insrance on their own, so they are mostly on some kind of Medicare. And WalMart is one of the richest corporations in the world. Why aren't you pissed off about that?

Originally Posted by jinx

I noticed these 2 articles when I was reading about the fires is AUS...
Don't assume everything is all rainbows and gummy bears in government health care land. You don't even have to read about it other countries, ask the people here who are on government health care how much they like it...

Universal affordable and accessible health care does not necessarily mean government health care.

What Obama envisions in the longer term is more quasi-governmental, with a government body overseeing the administration of a program that provides citizens with a range of choices through private health care providers. The citizens would have little or no contact with the government and would interact with their health care provider in much the same manner as they do now if covered by an employer-based plan.

In the short term, the goal is to contain the costs of employer-based plans since they represent over 2/3 of those currently with health care coverage and to provide incentives for small business to create health care pools in order to provide affordable coverage to those small business employees.

Is it doable? I hope we might see steps in that direction if all the fear mongering about government taking over our lives is put aside...and if the economy doesnt keep tanking.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Back to Merc's original article....since Merc wont accept that Obama has never pledged to provide free health care to all and that universal means accessible and affordable quality health care for all.

The point is that da po folk never saw it that way, and that is what message has been sent. I am not really concerned if you believe that or not, it is really not important.