Discipline of the Boobie Variety - Page 3

Pooka · 02-03-2009, 03:44 PM

You know I've wondered that and even considered putting bitter apple on the nipples when it isn't an appropraite eating time.

It was suggested that I eat onion and garlic, but the kid loves both and I eat them all the time so I know that isn't a deterrent and One indivdual suggested I give him a little chocolate milk, but he doesn't appear to like sweets...

02-03-2009, 03:52 PM

Have you tried talking to him about nursing, when he's calm and settled? Things like "Mommy loves you always, no matter what, and I will always be here for you, but sometimes Mommy doesn't want to nurse"?

I have no idea if it's effective, but that is one of the tools I used to try to reinforce to Little Orange that NOT nursing doesn't mean she was losing anything. I also showed her her own nipples, and said "see? Little Orange has nipples just like Mama has nipples!" and she seemed to find that fascinating. It was also the first time it really seemed to sink in for her that I actually own and feel my breasts.

In the end, though, come to think of it, it was probably introducing a pacifier that kept me from losing my shit and throwing her out a window.

Aliantha · 02-03-2009, 04:07 PM

Have you tried slipping a pacifier into his mouth after he's sleeping and around the time he usually wakes up? Maybe that would trick him into not fully waking, at least during the night.

I agree with glatt and the ped about him needing solids. That to my mind would be the one biggest reason why he's not restful. It worked like a charm with my boys when they were babies. As soon as they started on solids before bed, they started sleeping through in their cots.

Have you tried different types of food? (I'm guessing the answer is yes) Sometimes kids like the weirdest things though. Maybe do a bit of experimenting outside the box?

Sorry I couldn't be more help.

Clodfobble · 02-03-2009, 04:10 PM

Pooka, he sounds exactly like Minifob was. He refused all bottles and pacifiers, never ever took one. Was interested in food from my plate, but only as a novelty, not to actually fill up on, and never ate any baby foods and very few toddler foods. He was always a terrible sleeper, but got especially bad at around 6-7 months, and would wake up every single hour needing to nurse for a second before going back to sleep.

For us, the sleeping came first, and then the weaning. I, too, was at the end of my rope, and at 9 months we just decided it had to stop. We let him cry it out. But not totally abandoned; his crib was in our room, and I just lay there repeating, "You're okay. It's time to lay down and go back to sleep," in a soothing voice. I was there and talking, but he could also see that my eyes were closed. It was 30 minutes the first time, and about 15-20 minutes after that for a few days, and then less and less. But overall, it took at least two weeks, maybe more, before he was sleeping many hours at a time. I increased the daytime nursing a little to compensate, especially first thing in the morning. I know there are many people who are completely against crying it out, but for us it was a necessity to get him sleeping at least a little more regularly. You have to balance the needs of the parent, especially if the stress is making you a less-good parent. I won't say it was easy for me to just listen to him cry, but one key for me was that by that point I could tell the difference in his cries between upset and angry. And they were usually angry cries. When he woke up and was obviously a little more upset, I would go over and let him nurse, but the key was I had to make that decision within the first thirty seconds, and stick to it. He learned quickly that if I hadn't gotten up after that time, I wasn't going to, and started waking up only when he really needed me. It wasn't for many months after that he slept through the night for real, but with larger blocks of sleep I was a lot more sane, so it was okay.

It sounds like Morgi being disturbed is the real obstacle. Could she move into your room with Flint while you work things out with Flintsy in his room? Or maybe have a vacation at Grandma's house? I have to admit, with a toddler bed it may be harder, if he can get up whenever he wants. Would it be possible to go back to a crib, with the toddler bed being a reward for acting like a big boy again?

After we conquered the sleeping thing, weaning was a lot easier than I'd thought it would be. By then nursing had been established as a non-constant thing, so he was more reasonable about scaling back.

monster · 02-03-2009, 04:13 PM

Radical, unamerican advice. if you enjoy a drinkie before bed and it helps you feel drowsy... so will he.... never did mine any harm (hic)

monster · 02-03-2009, 04:13 PM

also, try earplugs for Morgi.

LabRat · 02-03-2009, 04:41 PM

more like for Flint...

srsly. I know what it's like to use the rumble strips to guide you to and from work.

Pooka · 02-03-2009, 06:57 PM

I have actually been driven to drink lately... my mother of all people suggested some red wine before bed... I swore I wouldn't drink until they were done with the boobies, but I just reached a point...

monster · 02-03-2009, 07:47 PM

I think it's fine for you to say "enough is enough". You have nursed him long enough. If you want to continue and let him wean himself, that's great, but if you don't that's great too. Mamas in the wild don't wait, they have needs too, just like you.

But it isn't going to be pretty. is a there a third room you could move his bed to, temporarily? One with a doorway you can gate so he can't get out, but can still see out? -we had to gate Thor's room. Then buy earplugs for Morgi and Flint and wait it out. You'll have some crappy nights, and it will hurt like hell when he screams and you know there's a way to comfort him immediately. Give him a bottle of expressed milk if you want, but be strong. it will get better faster than you think. it doesn't have to be cold turkey, you can do it gradually, and let him cry for so long before you let him nurse each time.

The expressing before you feed seems worth a try too. Mix breast milk in all his food that you can. Hebe used to love "cream" of spinach, and chopped carrots with a little something extra.....

here's a little something to help....

footfootfoot · 02-03-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pooka

I have actually been driven to drink lately... my mother of all people suggested some red wine before bed... I swore I wouldn't drink until they were done with the boobies, but I just reached a point...

My dad suggested we give the inch paregoric... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paregoric

Uh, yeah. Do you have a quarter I could borrow? I'd like to go to the movies...

Pooka · 02-03-2009, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

My dad suggested we give the inch paregoric... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paregoric

Uh, yeah. Do you have a quarter I could borrow? I'd like to go to the movies...

Quarter ounce or quarter pound... kidding. Wow... well... he did get some of my morphine drip when I was in the hospital... so I guess anything else I give him pales...lol.

Pooka · 02-03-2009, 08:54 PM

I think I may have found a dinner he doesn't like the boobie form of so much... hot dog with horseraddish and saurkraut... he gagged and proceded to gnaw on a soft pretzle instead.

Jaydaan · 02-03-2009, 09:38 PM

LOL can you live on hot dogs for 2 weeks??

02-03-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pooka

I think I may have found a dinner he doesn't like the boobie form of so much... hot dog with horseraddish and saurkraut... he gagged and proceded to gnaw on a soft pretzle instead.

Score!

ZenGum · 02-04-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Show of hands ... who thought this thread was going to be about something else?

Well, after that "training advice" thread...

02-03-2009, 04:07 PM	#33
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Have you tried slipping a pacifier into his mouth after he's sleeping and around the time he usually wakes up? Maybe that would trick him into not fully waking, at least during the night. I agree with glatt and the ped about him needing solids. That to my mind would be the one biggest reason why he's not restful. It worked like a charm with my boys when they were babies. As soon as they started on solids before bed, they started sleeping through in their cots. Have you tried different types of food? (I'm guessing the answer is yes) Sometimes kids like the weirdest things though. Maybe do a bit of experimenting outside the box? Sorry I couldn't be more help. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-03-2009, 04:10 PM	#34
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Pooka, he sounds exactly like Minifob was. He refused all bottles and pacifiers, never ever took one. Was interested in food from my plate, but only as a novelty, not to actually fill up on, and never ate any baby foods and very few toddler foods. He was always a terrible sleeper, but got especially bad at around 6-7 months, and would wake up every single hour needing to nurse for a second before going back to sleep. For us, the sleeping came first, and then the weaning. I, too, was at the end of my rope, and at 9 months we just decided it had to stop. We let him cry it out. But not totally abandoned; his crib was in our room, and I just lay there repeating, "You're okay. It's time to lay down and go back to sleep," in a soothing voice. I was there and talking, but he could also see that my eyes were closed. It was 30 minutes the first time, and about 15-20 minutes after that for a few days, and then less and less. But overall, it took at least two weeks, maybe more, before he was sleeping many hours at a time. I increased the daytime nursing a little to compensate, especially first thing in the morning. I know there are many people who are completely against crying it out, but for us it was a necessity to get him sleeping at least a little more regularly. You have to balance the needs of the parent, especially if the stress is making you a less-good parent. I won't say it was easy for me to just listen to him cry, but one key for me was that by that point I could tell the difference in his cries between upset and angry. And they were usually angry cries. When he woke up and was obviously a little more upset, I would go over and let him nurse, but the key was I had to make that decision within the first thirty seconds, and stick to it. He learned quickly that if I hadn't gotten up after that time, I wasn't going to, and started waking up only when he really needed me. It wasn't for many months after that he slept through the night for real, but with larger blocks of sleep I was a lot more sane, so it was okay. It sounds like Morgi being disturbed is the real obstacle. Could she move into your room with Flint while you work things out with Flintsy in his room? Or maybe have a vacation at Grandma's house? I have to admit, with a toddler bed it may be harder, if he can get up whenever he wants. Would it be possible to go back to a crib, with the toddler bed being a reward for acting like a big boy again? After we conquered the sleeping thing, weaning was a lot easier than I'd thought it would be. By then nursing had been established as a non-constant thing, so he was more reasonable about scaling back. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

02-03-2009, 04:13 PM	#35
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Radical, unamerican advice. if you enjoy a drinkie before bed and it helps you feel drowsy... so will he.... never did mine any harm (hic) __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-03-2009, 04:13 PM	#36
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	also, try earplugs for Morgi. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-03-2009, 04:41 PM	#37
LabRat twatfaced two legged bumhole Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,143	more like for Flint... srsly. I know what it's like to use the rumble strips to guide you to and from work. __________________ Strength does not come from how much weight you can lift, or how many miles you can run. It comes from knowing that you set a goal, and rose to the challenge. Strength comes from within.

02-03-2009, 03:44 PM	#31
Pooka Your Invisible Rabbit Friend Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Betwixt and Between Posts: 528	You know I've wondered that and even considered putting bitter apple on the nipples when it isn't an appropraite eating time. It was suggested that I eat onion and garlic, but the kid loves both and I eat them all the time so I know that isn't a deterrent and One indivdual suggested I give him a little chocolate milk, but he doesn't appear to like sweets...

02-03-2009, 03:52 PM	#32
Tiki Guest Posts: n/a	Have you tried talking to him about nursing, when he's calm and settled? Things like "Mommy loves you always, no matter what, and I will always be here for you, but sometimes Mommy doesn't want to nurse"? I have no idea if it's effective, but that is one of the tools I used to try to reinforce to Little Orange that NOT nursing doesn't mean she was losing anything. I also showed her her own nipples, and said "see? Little Orange has nipples just like Mama has nipples!" and she seemed to find that fascinating. It was also the first time it really seemed to sink in for her that I actually own and feel my breasts. In the end, though, come to think of it, it was probably introducing a pacifier that kept me from losing my shit and throwing her out a window.

02-03-2009, 06:57 PM	#38
Pooka Your Invisible Rabbit Friend Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Betwixt and Between Posts: 528	I have actually been driven to drink lately... my mother of all people suggested some red wine before bed... I swore I wouldn't drink until they were done with the boobies, but I just reached a point...

02-03-2009, 07:47 PM	#39
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I think it's fine for you to say "enough is enough". You have nursed him long enough. If you want to continue and let him wean himself, that's great, but if you don't that's great too. Mamas in the wild don't wait, they have needs too, just like you. But it isn't going to be pretty. is a there a third room you could move his bed to, temporarily? One with a doorway you can gate so he can't get out, but can still see out? -we had to gate Thor's room. Then buy earplugs for Morgi and Flint and wait it out. You'll have some crappy nights, and it will hurt like hell when he screams and you know there's a way to comfort him immediately. Give him a bottle of expressed milk if you want, but be strong. it will get better faster than you think. it doesn't have to be cold turkey, you can do it gradually, and let him cry for so long before you let him nurse each time. The expressing before you feed seems worth a try too. Mix breast milk in all his food that you can. Hebe used to love "cream" of spinach, and chopped carrots with a little something extra..... here's a little something to help.... __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-03-2009, 08:54 PM	#42
Pooka Your Invisible Rabbit Friend Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Betwixt and Between Posts: 528	I think I may have found a dinner he doesn't like the boobie form of so much... hot dog with horseraddish and saurkraut... he gagged and proceded to gnaw on a soft pretzle instead.

02-03-2009, 09:38 PM	#43
Jaydaan Knight of the Oval-Shaped Conference Table Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vernon, BC, Canada Posts: 378	LOL can you live on hot dogs for 2 weeks??

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