McCain should have picked a different plumber - Page 3

Radar · 10-17-2008, 01:48 PM

Yes, I'm the one with the tinfoil hat; not you right?

You've got your head buried so far up your ass, you can see what you ate for breakfast.

You're just pissy because John McCain is double-digits behind Obama with only 18 days to go. It's a lost cause for the Republicans and frankly, I think the Republicans WANT to lose this election. That's why they chose someone they knew was unstable and old, with a ditzy bimbo of a running mate. They know the person who follows Bush will have to do some unpopular things to clean up Bush's mess. Then they can blame the unpopular stuff and the mess on the new guy.

Also, the Republicans didn't necessarily pick that guy. They probably got a bunch of local Republicans and told them to get as close as they can to Obama and ask him a slanted question about how he would hurt the poor small business owners.

He was just big enough to push his way through the crowd and had a big enough mouth to get noticed.

classicman · 10-17-2008, 02:39 PM

At what point did I say I was voting for McCain? When did my registration suddenly change from Independent to Republican? When did I become "pissy"? Why am I even bothering to respond to you? What's the matter, are you scared? ... Then get a dog.
Anyway.... reality doesn't change no matter how you want to twist it to fit your amateurish, brainwashed little fear driven theories.

Here's the way I see it - Some guy said something that the Obama
camp didn't like. McCain, behind in the polls, by more like 6 points, used it to his advantage during the debate a couple days later. Good for him! The Obama camp immediately started to investigate and discredit him. Good for them. Well run campaigns. Unfortunately thats the way things are done in politics today, but as far as thats concerned both campaigns did what the situation dictated they do.

classicman · 10-17-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Yes, I'm the one with the tinfoil hat

It's a lost cause for the Republicans and frankly, I think the Republicans WANT to lose this election. That's why they chose someone they knew was unstable and old, with a ditzy bimbo of a running mate. They know the person who follows Bush will have to do some unpopular things to clean up Bush's mess. Then they can blame the unpopular stuff and the mess on the new guy.

Well lets see compared to Bush, ANYONE will look good, except you maybe but thats another argument. The "unpopular stuff" will all be blamed on Bush and the following president will be seen as a savior. He has already earned a virtual "mulligan".

I think the republicans knew this would be an extremely difficult, if not impossible election to win. I think McCain can be compared to Bob Dole of a few years ago. Same situation - extremely difficult elections to win - So they tossed a good soldier a bone.

The fact that the popular vote is as close as it is must be shocking to the entire party, IMO. Who could have expected that it would actually be this close at this point after all Bush has put the country through?

Radar · 10-17-2008, 03:14 PM

You edited what I wrote. Very childish, even for you.

If you consider a double digit lead for a black man over a white man to be close, I think you're crazy. If Obama were white, he'd be 30 points ahead of McCain. There isn't a realistic statistical chance of McCain actually winning the election. You'd do better to put your life savings on a single number in roulette and spin the wheel. This way you would have more of a chance of winning than McCain.

Oh, and compared to anyone in the Republican Party and even compared to Obama, I'd look fantasic. I'd be the very best president America has ever seen. I'd have America more secure, free, and prosperous than it has ever been before. We'd have more jobs, and be loved throughout the world...assuming I could get a libertarian congress.

classicman · 10-17-2008, 03:45 PM

it's great that you are so confident in your abilities to run the largest most complicated country in the world with absolutely no experience.
All I can say is that we'll just have to agree to disagree.

TheMercenary · 10-17-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Being out $900 is not going to force any somewhat viable small business to fire anyone. Especially a small business that's making enough profit to be taxed an extra $900.

Well good point. I mean the economy is doing so well and everyone is so financially stable. I mean who is worrying. Just look around you at all the businesses that are raking in the profits, big or small, no worries out there at all. All we need to do is wait for the Second Coming when Obama is elected and he can fix all the ills of the world. I have bridge to sell you in Alaska.

TheMercenary · 10-17-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

At what point did I say I was voting for McCain? When did my registration suddenly change from Independent to Republican? When did I become "pissy"? Why am I even bothering to respond to you? What's the matter, are you scared? ... Then get a dog.
Anyway.... reality doesn't change no matter how you want to twist it to fit your amateurish, brainwashed little fear driven theories.

Here's the way I see it - Some guy said something that the Obama
camp didn't like. McCain, behind in the polls, by more like 6 points, used it to his advantage during the debate a couple days later. Good for him! The Obama camp immediately started to investigate and discredit him. Good for them. Well run campaigns. Unfortunately thats the way things are done in politics today, but as far as thats concerned both campaigns did what the situation dictated they do.

Yea, I mean heaven to Betsy that some hard working blue collar dude should question his new Master's intention. He should have gotten on his knees and just bowed down.

bluecuracao · 10-17-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well good point. I mean the economy is doing so well and everyone is so financially stable. I mean who is worrying. Just look around you at all the businesses that are raking in the profits, big or small, no worries out there at all. All we need to do is wait for the Second Coming when Obama is elected and he can fix all the ills of the world. I have bridge to sell you in Alaska.

Eh? This has to do with what I said how?

I guess you just want to rant. Okay, whatever.

ZenGum · 10-17-2008, 06:14 PM

Tail-posting, but....

Should have picked a different plumber?

How about should have picked a different Vice #$%&ing President????

Ibby · 10-17-2008, 07:36 PM

Sam the Plumber has now had more press conferences and interviews than sarah palin.
so, so depressing.

monster · 10-17-2008, 08:28 PM

How often did he say maverick?

TheMercenary · 10-17-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

How often did he say maverick?

Screw that, how many times did he say "My Friends"? Less than the last time. Holy crap, I wanted to bitch slap him. I am not your GD friend already.

Happy Monkey · 10-17-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

He has stated, categorically, that he would rais taxes on any person or business that had more than 250k income. That is a whole bunch of small businesses.

Not the one "Joe" was works for.

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Originally Posted by classicman

Here's the way I see it - Some guy said something that the Obama camp didn't like.

"Didn't like"? What he said wasn't true! Not only would he pay less taxes under Obama's plan (assuming he paid them in the first place), so would the business he was claimed to be "getting ready to buy".

xoxoxoBruce · 10-17-2008, 11:56 PM

I don't think either campaign rushed to dig up dirt on Joe the Plumber.
Once he appeared on camera, hundreds of reporters and bloggers would be scrambling to get the scoop on this guy, just like they do with any unknown that suddenly becomes known. They all want something to create a fresh story because the campaign is getting old to many viewers/readers.

DanaC · 10-18-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yea, I mean heaven to Betsy that some hard working blue collar dude should question his new Master's intention. He should have gotten on his knees and just bowed down.

That's a rather unfortunate image to conjure, Merc. Soometimes I worry about you.

10-17-2008, 01:48 PM	#31
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Yes, I'm the one with the tinfoil hat; not you right? You've got your head buried so far up your ass, you can see what you ate for breakfast. You're just pissy because John McCain is double-digits behind Obama with only 18 days to go. It's a lost cause for the Republicans and frankly, I think the Republicans WANT to lose this election. That's why they chose someone they knew was unstable and old, with a ditzy bimbo of a running mate. They know the person who follows Bush will have to do some unpopular things to clean up Bush's mess. Then they can blame the unpopular stuff and the mess on the new guy. Also, the Republicans didn't necessarily pick that guy. They probably got a bunch of local Republicans and told them to get as close as they can to Obama and ask him a slanted question about how he would hurt the poor small business owners. He was just big enough to push his way through the crowd and had a big enough mouth to get noticed. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

10-17-2008, 02:39 PM	#32
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	At what point did I say I was voting for McCain? When did my registration suddenly change from Independent to Republican? When did I become "pissy"? Why am I even bothering to respond to you? What's the matter, are you scared? ... Then get a dog. Anyway.... reality doesn't change no matter how you want to twist it to fit your amateurish, brainwashed little fear driven theories. Here's the way I see it - Some guy said something that the Obama camp didn't like. McCain, behind in the polls, by more like 6 points, used it to his advantage during the debate a couple days later. Good for him! The Obama camp immediately started to investigate and discredit him. Good for them. Well run campaigns. Unfortunately thats the way things are done in politics today, but as far as thats concerned both campaigns did what the situation dictated they do. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-17-2008, 03:14 PM	#34
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	You edited what I wrote. Very childish, even for you. If you consider a double digit lead for a black man over a white man to be close, I think you're crazy. If Obama were white, he'd be 30 points ahead of McCain. There isn't a realistic statistical chance of McCain actually winning the election. You'd do better to put your life savings on a single number in roulette and spin the wheel. This way you would have more of a chance of winning than McCain. Oh, and compared to anyone in the Republican Party and even compared to Obama, I'd look fantasic. I'd be the very best president America has ever seen. I'd have America more secure, free, and prosperous than it has ever been before. We'd have more jobs, and be loved throughout the world...assuming I could get a libertarian congress. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

10-17-2008, 03:45 PM	#35
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	it's great that you are so confident in your abilities to run the largest most complicated country in the world with absolutely no experience. All I can say is that we'll just have to agree to disagree. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-17-2008, 06:14 PM	#39
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Tail-posting, but.... Should have picked a different plumber? How about should have picked a different Vice #$%&ing President???? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-17-2008, 07:36 PM	#40
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Sam the Plumber has now had more press conferences and interviews than sarah palin. so, so depressing. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

10-17-2008, 08:28 PM	#41
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	How often did he say maverick? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-17-2008, 11:56 PM	#44
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I don't think either campaign rushed to dig up dirt on Joe the Plumber. Once he appeared on camera, hundreds of reporters and bloggers would be scrambling to get the scoop on this guy, just like they do with any unknown that suddenly becomes known. They all want something to create a fresh story because the campaign is getting old to many viewers/readers. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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