Tonights Debate 7 Oct

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Thank you. Well put.

I'm the kind of girl that actually knows when she's getting fucked two ways and upside down.

Is that the Voice of Experience talking?

[Cicero]

The fundamental difference between my opponent and I.....

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Cicero

That depends... Are you a young cellar member Sam?

Heh! Define young. Lets just say that like you, I'm old enough to know when I'm getting fucked over.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

If he says, "My Friends", ever again I will have to cull one of you. I will start with the youngest. Please post your birthdays, thank you.

eat my shorts, old man

[classicman]

Is that what cull means nowadays?

[TheMercenary]

Since the kid is on ignore and I can't read his post I just thought that for the rest of you I would post this:

"Culling is the 'selection' (removal and killing) of surplus animals from an animal population. In a wild population the selection is often done by killing the animal immediately. In a domestic or farming situation the culling process involves selection and the selling of surplus stock. The selection may be done to improve breeding stock, for example for improved production of eggs or milk, or simply to control the group's population for the benefit of the environment and other species."

[DanaC]

I watched the debate. It was very interesting. Setting aside the fact that I agree with Obama more than I agree with McCain on policy, I thought Obama came across better overall. He just seems to have more weight to him, more gravitas. He carried himself with dignity, I thought, whereas McCain seemed almost *thinks* I don't know...ingratiating? His body language to me was slightly too close in, a little too pally. Needy. And he seemed to be bluffing along without much in the way of actual ideas. Apparently you guys can tackle all your nation's problems in one fell swoop, with no detailed plan simply because you are American and great, and because McCain knows what to do.

Obama, to me came across as someone who has a coherent plan in mind to begin tackling some of the more pressing problems. Whether or not you agree with that plan is obviously a different matter, but he at least sounds like he's got a plan. He seems very credible, like he could carry the office of President and well.

It's funny, because prior to the race really kicking off, when the reps and dems were choosing their candidates, I agreed with but wasn't sure whether I liked Obama and disagreed with but quite liked McCain. The more I see of Obama, the more impressed I am. The more I see of McCain the more insincere he seems, and the more crafted his humility.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

The more I see of McCain the more insincere he seems, and the more crafted his humility.

The McCain you saw recently does not represent the same man who was seeking his party's nomination. McCain's speeches have even a changed tone because so much of his people are now the wacko extremists of the Republican Party. McCain's speech writer even wrote for him the exact same phrase that George Jr was given to read: "The fundamentals of our economy are sound". Ironically, McCain read that speech as AIG was going down.

Later that afternoon, McCain changed his stump speech (they give the same speech all day long while campaigning). Apparently, even wacko extremists in McCain's campaign suddenly realized that their rhetoric was a lie.

The McCain that was seeking the Republican party nomination would have never given that speech. The McCain today cannot really say what he believes without alienating the Republican right wing fringe (George Jr supporters) that he needs to get elected. So McCain no longer has conviction in his speeches. He is now a compromised candidate.

When McCain was seeking the Republican nomination, the wacko extremists were repeatedly told disparaging things by Rush Limbaugh. Why did Rush Limbaugh reverse his preaching? McCain is the closest thing the right wing has to an extremist running for power. So they put Palin on his ticket.

[DanaC]

Not sure where I heard/read this (may even have been in the Cellar) but is it true that McCain has only voted against the administration about 10% of the time, and only on occasions where it wouldn't damage the administration? Is he as much of a maverick as he makes out, or is he pretty much the same neo-con style as Bush overall?

[Clodfobble]

I don't know about "occasions where it wouldn't damage the administration," but his voting record has been touted repeatedly as agreeing with Bush anywhere from 90% to 95% of the time, and McCain hasn't attempted to dispute it.

Edit: Ah, here we go. FactCheck.org says it's true.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Not sure where I heard/read this (may even have been in the Cellar) but is it true that McCain has only voted against the administration about 10% of the time, and only on occasions where it wouldn't damage the administration? Is he as much of a maverick as he makes out, or is he pretty much the same neo-con style as Bush overall?

I was fooled by all the question marks. I thought there were questions here.

[DanaC]

*nods* I just wondered, because McCain and Palin both repeatedly reminded us that he was 'a maverick' and 'not exactly popular' and that he was a strong rebel within the Republican party.

[Cicero]

Rebel is a very loose term for anyone inside the conservative party.

Maverick? No, I fail to see any proof of such a claim. Unpopular? Yes. Underdog? No.

[Clodfobble]

Back in 2001 or so he was doing a lot more voting against party lines. He has since sold his soul for this election... but looking at the polls, it doesn't seem to be helping him all that much.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by DanaC

He just seems to have more weight to him, more gravitas.

Is 'gravitas' the word of the week at the Cellar? Did I miss the announcement somehow?