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Shawnee123 · 10-08-2008, 07:44 AM

But I think the majority here is slanted in one way, in this election, because the majority of people have lived through the past few years, and have made an informed decision as to which side they plan to land on, in November.

To attribute the slant you see here to individuals regurgitating views based on nothing other than party lines is, in my opinion, a grand underestimation of the intelligence and (mostly) open-mindedness of a large number of Dwellars. I really don't think everyone is towing the party line, as you say...I think most of us are just plain fed up with the status quo.

classicman · 10-08-2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

This guy was awarded the Citizen of the Year in 1997 by Chicago. Mayor Richard Daley called him "a valued member of the Chicago community."

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Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan, Mayor Richard Daley...our leadership in Illinois...all Democrats.
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County ( Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.

classicman · 10-08-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

To attribute the slant you see here to individuals regurgitating views based on nothing other than party lines is, in my opinion, a grand underestimation of the intelligence and (mostly) open-mindedness of a large number of Dwellars.

I really don't think everyone is towing the party line, as you say...I think most of us are just plain fed up with the status quo.

I thought so too - not so sure lately though.

Therein lies a great deal of my frustration. That makes very little sense to me - the current "status quo" is as much if not more Obama's fault as it is McCain's.

Shawnee123 · 10-08-2008, 08:23 AM

I don't have that frustration because I don't see it that way. That doesn't mean I'm right (but I am...jk) but to me the difference is clear. To me, the difference is SO clear that it's hard for me to imagine that anyone who isn't a strict party line person can see it any other way.

But now I better understand where you're coming from, so that's good.

classicman · 10-08-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

To me, the difference is SO clear that it's hard for me to imagine that anyone who isn't a strict party line person can see it any other way.

Yup - their differences are very clear. I agree with each of them on some things - that is the difference between me and many of you. I am not as far left as many of you, nor am I as far right.

What it is that makes either of these guys worthy of my vote?
On the left we have Obama, who has accomplished what? What has he done - Really?

On the right we have McCain who has a looooooong history and has fought for our country - been a POW... so???? What does all that really mean? Does that make him more qualified - I dunno, but I still don't agree with a lot of what he says.

So I'm left again/still with experience vs idealism.

HungLikeJesus · 10-08-2008, 09:17 AM

Thanks. All this time I thought it was "toe the line."

Happy Monkey · 10-08-2008, 09:20 AM

It is.

HungLikeJesus · 10-08-2008, 09:22 AM

Now Shawnee's thinking"... love isn't always on time."

classicman · 10-08-2008, 09:29 AM

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Instead of recycling this same old stuff, convince me that McCain is a better man and has got a better plan.

I'm not recycling shit. I am trying to make a decision. Everything here is so slanted toward one side, its sickening. It seems to me that many of you all are simply voting against Bush as much as for Obama. Sounds to me like you are the one recycling a party line.

Lets turn your question back on you, since your mind is made up - YOU tell me why Obama is the better man. Better yet - put the two side by side and list all their accomplishments, stances, associations and so on...

Pico and ME · 10-08-2008, 09:52 AM

Classic, from your posts its looks like your mind is made up too. You may not be sure you like McCain, but you really give off the appearance that you DON'T want Obama in the White House. I'm the same way. I don't know if I trust Obama to actually implement his 'change' policy, but I KNOW I don't want McCain (because he, in my mind, WILL BE more of the same).

classicman · 10-08-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Classic, from your posts its looks like your mind is made up too. You may not be sure you like McCain, but you really give off the appearance that you DON'T want Obama in the White House. I'm the same way. I don't know if I trust Obama can to actually implement his 'change' policy, but I KNOW I don't want McCain (because he, in my mind, WILL BE more of the same).

Good grief - why would I bother with all this if my mind was made up?

Why would I want Obama? What has he done? Same with McCain.
Hmm, so I was correct in my assumption that its more of a vote against Bush than it is for Obama. Thanks for your honesty.

HungLikeJesus · 10-08-2008, 10:05 AM

There's just not enough humor in these political threads.

Pico and ME · 10-08-2008, 10:10 AM

Classic, the way I see it, McCain IS Bush. He sold his soul to Team Bush a while ago in order to have this chance at the presidency.

Shawnee123 · 10-08-2008, 10:16 AM

Every vote is a vote against someone. None of us are running down the street with signs that read: The end is nigh, unless you vote for Obama, our savior and lord.

He's not McCain. He isn't Bush's lap dog. He doesn't claim to be a "maverick" after all those years of pushing the Bush agenda. He actually gives a crap about the middle class, not just the fat cats and the baby-poppin' welfare moms (McCain's proposed tax benefits implicitly state more money "per child" which, if you've seen as many tax forms as I've seen, is ridiculous.)

With all due respect to McCain, because I don't think he's quite evil like Bush and I respect his service, he is very much like Bush. To pretend to be some maverick rabble-rousin' Yosemite Sam who is going to go in and put the smack down on evil Washington, after 26 years, is so completely ridiculous I have to laugh.

Obama is smart. Obama is fresh. Obama has served with class and dignity. Obama is not in the pocket of big oil.

Shawnee123 · 10-08-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

Now Shawnee's thinking"... love isn't always on time."

On time? The f*cker ain't even showing UP!

10-08-2008, 07:44 AM	#31
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	But I think the majority here is slanted in one way, in this election, because the majority of people have lived through the past few years, and have made an informed decision as to which side they plan to land on, in November. To attribute the slant you see here to individuals regurgitating views based on nothing other than party lines is, in my opinion, a grand underestimation of the intelligence and (mostly) open-mindedness of a large number of Dwellars. I really don't think everyone is towing the party line, as you say...I think most of us are just plain fed up with the status quo. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-08-2008, 08:23 AM	#34
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I don't have that frustration because I don't see it that way. That doesn't mean I'm right (but I am...jk) but to me the difference is clear. To me, the difference is SO clear that it's hard for me to imagine that anyone who isn't a strict party line person can see it any other way. But now I better understand where you're coming from, so that's good. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-08-2008, 09:17 AM	#36
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Thanks. All this time I thought it was "toe the line." __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-08-2008, 09:20 AM	#37
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It is. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-08-2008, 09:22 AM	#38
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Now Shawnee's thinking"... love isn't always on time." __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-08-2008, 09:52 AM	#40
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Classic, from your posts its looks like your mind is made up too. You may not be sure you like McCain, but you really give off the appearance that you DON'T want Obama in the White House. I'm the same way. I don't know if I trust Obama to actually implement his 'change' policy, but I KNOW I don't want McCain (because he, in my mind, WILL BE more of the same). Last edited by Pico and ME; 10-08-2008 at 10:33 AM.

10-08-2008, 10:05 AM	#42
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	There's just not enough humor in these political threads. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-08-2008, 10:10 AM	#43
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Classic, the way I see it, McCain IS Bush. He sold his soul to Team Bush a while ago in order to have this chance at the presidency.

10-08-2008, 10:16 AM	#44
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Every vote is a vote against someone. None of us are running down the street with signs that read: The end is nigh, unless you vote for Obama, our savior and lord. He's not McCain. He isn't Bush's lap dog. He doesn't claim to be a "maverick" after all those years of pushing the Bush agenda. He actually gives a crap about the middle class, not just the fat cats and the baby-poppin' welfare moms (McCain's proposed tax benefits implicitly state more money "per child" which, if you've seen as many tax forms as I've seen, is ridiculous.) With all due respect to McCain, because I don't think he's quite evil like Bush and I respect his service, he is very much like Bush. To pretend to be some maverick rabble-rousin' Yosemite Sam who is going to go in and put the smack down on evil Washington, after 26 years, is so completely ridiculous I have to laugh. Obama is smart. Obama is fresh. Obama has served with class and dignity. Obama is not in the pocket of big oil. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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