Do you know "Maori?" - Page 3

Cloud · 07-22-2008, 04:15 PM

Looks interesting. Tho, $20 for a 2-year old used paperback is a bit steep (you were a teen in 2006?*). From the review:

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Ever since I saw the movie "The Piano", I've been curious about the Maori of New Zealand. It is assumed that they are descendents of Polynesians, but their culture and character are unique. They are a most intelligent and beautiful people. When the English moved in to colonize, they were much quicker to learn the language and customs of the intruders than the British, Irish, Australians and Germas were to learn about them. So they had a distinct advantage. They had heard what happened to the indigenous peoples of the Americas, Australia, Africa and Asia when European Imperialists took over, enslaving and killing the natives and appropriating their land. Inevitably, the same thing happened to the Maoris too but not to such an extent. Forewarned is forearmed.

ETA: *the edition listed there was published in 2006--I guess the book was published before that. That's the only edition I can find on Amazon, though.

Aliantha · 07-22-2008, 04:18 PM

Having grown up surrounded by Maori people all my life it seems odd to me that some people don't know about them or where they're from and what their cultural significance is to the greater world around us, but I'm not sure I think it's sad. I do get what you're saying though Cloud. The world is becoming such a small place in some ways, but it seems to be becoming more insular in others also. People are more concerned with what directly affects them and not so much about knowing things just for the sake of it. Of course, I think people have been making these sorts of suggestions throughout the ages.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't know anything about americans - indigenous or otherwise - out there in the world, but none here have ever heard of them.

Different things are of different interest to different people for different reasons. I think that's all it really comes down to.

lookout123 · 07-22-2008, 04:37 PM

tell me what you know about the navajo.

Cloud · 07-22-2008, 04:42 PM

well, I've heard of them, know they exist, and roughly what area of the country they lived in. Know there's a special chapter of WWII history devoted to them; have a (admittedly) vague idea of some of their customs.

Oh, wait. . . you were asking Ms. Aliantha, weren't you?

glatt · 07-22-2008, 04:43 PM

and then the Sami
followed by the Masai

Cloud · 07-22-2008, 04:49 PM

well, I know of them. Don't know a lot about them, but again, I know they exist and roughly what area of the world they live in.

This is general knowledge. I'm a big fan of the concept of "cultural literacy." I'm not going to say I have in-depth knowledge of every cultural subgroup or indigenous people out there, because I certainly do not, but I think a general knowledge of the major countries and peoples of the world is required for educated people.

I know. I'm just a nerd.

Aliantha · 07-22-2008, 05:04 PM

My answer would be similar to Clouds. I know of them and where they come from and have a general understanding of lifestyle, but I wouldn't say I'm an expert. Then again, I'm not an expert on Maori traditions etc either, but I probably know more about them because of my familiarity.

skysidhe · 07-22-2008, 05:10 PM

Some people absorb knowledge like a sponge.

How lucky!

Undertoad · 07-22-2008, 05:21 PM

Says here that the youths are big into hip-hop.

Somehow I find that hilarious. But I am a cruel and bitter man.

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Indeed, "breakdance provided a very strong and positive identity that did much to raise Māori self esteem and realize their capabilities." Māori youth utilize the social space that breakdancing provides them in a very dynamic fashion, she says, gaining recognition and notions of increased self-worth in the process. Kopytko suggests that this appropriation of breakdancing allowed the later arrival of rap to become "a vehicle for vernacular expressions of Māori militancy".

Somehow I find that hilarious. But I am a cruel and bitter man.

Cloud · 07-22-2008, 05:22 PM

the warrior tribes are still scaring their neighbors, obviously.

BigV · 07-22-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

not specifically. I learned about them in 6th grade, because I had a teacher from New Zealand.

Lookout's comment about not needing this knowledge in real life is typical of some of the responses I'm getting. This saddens me in a very personal way.

Shoulda been a social studies teacher. Do they even teach that anymore?

[other side of the coin]
Weird.... This from the lady who didn't know anything about cars. Yet, you drive one every day, you're surrounded by them every day. Don't you think you have a "need for this knowledge in real life"?

I can remember clearly being saddened as a child when I learned what a Renaissance Man was and that I probably couldn't be one. Someone who knew the most about everything (my childhood understanding, close, but no cigar). Now I can see quite clearly, especially in my professional field, technology, that I could *never ever* be the most knowledgeable in all fields. I can barely keep up with these freakin computers.

My point is that we all have to choose what to put into our heads. For those quick studies among us, they may have a chance to put in more and us slow learners have to be content with either less knowledge or less sleep. Sadly, I usually wind up with both booby prizes. :yawn:

Sundae · 07-22-2008, 05:54 PM

I can't remember not knowing about the Maori, but then we have closer links with New Zealand in England. And one of my favourite children's authors is a Kiwi. As is my Aunt to be fair. And pretty much everyone here knows about the haka, even if they couldn't name it precisely, because the All Blacks do it before every game. Oh and there's a pretty well known clip of a young Prince Charles meeting the Maoris.

I could go on and on, but I was just trying to justify what otherwise might have sounded boastful.

I have never heard of currahee. Sounds like a variation of Karachi maybe? In which case I know a fair amount, but I think that might be too obscure.

I know where the Navajo are from, and a few snippets about them. I know more about the Sami but again, I'm European and the Masai - well I do have a friend who lives in Kenya after all.

ETA - I know very little about cars! But then I've only ever been an intermittant driver and don't currently own one.

I think it's far easier to pick up general knowledge than it is specific mechanics/ technology. But then maybe it's the way my mind works.

Cloud · 07-22-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

[other side of the coin]
Weird.... This from the lady who didn't know anything about cars. Yet, you drive one every day, you're surrounded by them every day. Don't you think you have a "need for this knowledge in real life"?

oh, absolutely, which is why I ask for help in filling the gaps in my knowledge, and actively research those issues which come up.

Aliantha · 07-22-2008, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Says here that the youths are big into hip-hop.

Somehow I find that hilarious. But I am a cruel and bitter man.

Why is it hilarious?

Undertoad · 07-22-2008, 08:00 PM

Because in the midst of preserving the heritage of an indigenous people, the youngsters said ah fuggit and took their own cultural notes from halfway around the world; and then took the militant notes about it and made it their own militancy. The youth culture will always rebel; the kids always have crappy music and dress funny. And now while we're supposed to remember this honorable and unique indigenous culture, their kids are kind of abandoning it because it's not cool enough.

View Poll Results: Do you know "Maori"?
Sure, I know what the Maori are. Doesn't everyone?	35	89.74%
What? Is that someone's name? A singing group?	2	5.13%
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07-22-2008, 04:18 PM	#32
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Having grown up surrounded by Maori people all my life it seems odd to me that some people don't know about them or where they're from and what their cultural significance is to the greater world around us, but I'm not sure I think it's sad. I do get what you're saying though Cloud. The world is becoming such a small place in some ways, but it seems to be becoming more insular in others also. People are more concerned with what directly affects them and not so much about knowing things just for the sake of it. Of course, I think people have been making these sorts of suggestions throughout the ages. I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't know anything about americans - indigenous or otherwise - out there in the world, but none here have ever heard of them. Different things are of different interest to different people for different reasons. I think that's all it really comes down to. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-22-2008, 04:37 PM	#33
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	tell me what you know about the navajo. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-22-2008, 04:42 PM	#34
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	well, I've heard of them, know they exist, and roughly what area of the country they lived in. Know there's a special chapter of WWII history devoted to them; have a (admittedly) vague idea of some of their customs. Oh, wait. . . you were asking Ms. Aliantha, weren't you? __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

07-22-2008, 04:49 PM	#36
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	well, I know of them. Don't know a lot about them, but again, I know they exist and roughly what area of the world they live in. This is general knowledge. I'm a big fan of the concept of "cultural literacy." I'm not going to say I have in-depth knowledge of every cultural subgroup or indigenous people out there, because I certainly do not, but I think a general knowledge of the major countries and peoples of the world is required for educated people. I know. I'm just a nerd. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

07-22-2008, 04:43 PM	#35
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	and then the Sami followed by the Masai

07-22-2008, 05:04 PM	#37
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	My answer would be similar to Clouds. I know of them and where they come from and have a general understanding of lifestyle, but I wouldn't say I'm an expert. Then again, I'm not an expert on Maori traditions etc either, but I probably know more about them because of my familiarity. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-22-2008, 05:10 PM	#38
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	Some people absorb knowledge like a sponge. How lucky!

07-22-2008, 05:22 PM	#40
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	the warrior tribes are still scaring their neighbors, obviously. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

07-22-2008, 05:54 PM	#42
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I can't remember not knowing about the Maori, but then we have closer links with New Zealand in England. And one of my favourite children's authors is a Kiwi. As is my Aunt to be fair. And pretty much everyone here knows about the haka, even if they couldn't name it precisely, because the All Blacks do it before every game. Oh and there's a pretty well known clip of a young Prince Charles meeting the Maoris. I could go on and on, but I was just trying to justify what otherwise might have sounded boastful. I have never heard of currahee. Sounds like a variation of Karachi maybe? In which case I know a fair amount, but I think that might be too obscure. I know where the Navajo are from, and a few snippets about them. I know more about the Sami but again, I'm European and the Masai - well I do have a friend who lives in Kenya after all. ETA - I know very little about cars! But then I've only ever been an intermittant driver and don't currently own one. I think it's far easier to pick up general knowledge than it is specific mechanics/ technology. But then maybe it's the way my mind works.

07-22-2008, 08:00 PM	#45
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Because in the midst of preserving the heritage of an indigenous people, the youngsters said ah fuggit and took their own cultural notes from halfway around the world; and then took the militant notes about it and made it their own militancy. The youth culture will always rebel; the kids always have crappy music and dress funny. And now while we're supposed to remember this honorable and unique indigenous culture, their kids are kind of abandoning it because it's not cool enough.

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