When Obama says things like this...

[classicman]

Specifically the last three elections have been full of, to me, very lackluster candidates. I am not specifically talking bout the final two either I mean the crop that we have to choose from in each party do not really excite me at all. Guess I'm just disheartened about the whole thing.

[piercehawkeye45]

Somehow I don't think it will get much better either unless there is a big change in the way America sees its leaders.

[classicman]

I think my problem is that someone who would possess the qualities which I would look for in a leader won't be involved in politics.

[Shawnee123]

H R Pufnstuf for president!

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

well that was a nice dissertation on your opinion of Bush, but the rest of us were talking about the candidates available to us, not what an idiot GWB is ...

But you are the one whose grasp of history is confused.

I think it started with the Bush Sr.s reelection.

To find a useful candidate, first learn from history. All candidates during the George Sr reelection appeared unspectacular. And yet we ended up with a good president. We were also asking back then who would want this job since the economy was slowing falling into recession; things appeared to be going downhill. I specifically recall so many Cellar dwellers back then complaining about how the economy was only getting worse.

Back then, nothing useful was observed among candidates until after the Super Bowl. The book Primary Colors demonstrates the concept - including the winning answer to that Cellar complaint.

Also from history is to learn how George Jr got elected. First to be established is that he is one of if not the worst president in history. A man who routinely lies. A man in the tradition of “I have a secret plan to end the war”. Often George Jr may lie because he does not even know he is lying. He was always regarded as dumb. Having identified a president so bad (and by also learning how Nixon got there), then how do we avoid making those same mistakes? How do we learn from history?

Well first we must establish some facts that others routinely deny. George Jr, like Nixon, is one of the worst presidents this country has ever seen. How (and why) were we so stupid as to elect him? That question requires the predicate be established - as found, irrefutably, in that previous post.

Besides, the man is so dangerous to any decent American that the scumbag president must be identified alongside bin Laden, who George Jr protected by being so anti-American. The 10th Mountain Division was not even allowed to go after bin Laden? Only a mental midget would have permitted that to happen. How were we so stupid as to elect and then reelect this fool?

How to learn from history? Learn what constitutes a worst president - and how not to make that mistake again. Even Tommy Smothers learned from history.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by tw

Even Tommy Smothers learned from history.

yeah, but it was an old radio. and besides, custer probably had it coming.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

I have the recent example of William Jefferson Clinton and the distant example of Warren Gamaliel Harding as worst Presidents.

That GWB is not appreciated by the Left hardly makes him among the worst of history -- except among the Koolaidsters there, and I set their opinion at nil.

[Griff]

Who was worse Woodrow Wilson or George W. Bush? They are one and two, you pick the spot. Don't make the mistake of thinking the left constitutes all the anti-Bush feeling out there. Some people would just prefer a quietly industrious Republic. It has been said that democracies are perfect for war making because once you get the population on board with there are no barriers. These two clowns support that point.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

The destruction, the vitiation, of undemocracy is not, so far as I can see, the work of clowns, however hostile the Left may be to an increase of genuine democracy's chances worldwide and to the reduction of less-than-democracies. This is why I support George Bush, and nobody here has presented a good enough reason to stop doing it. Many very bad, pro-fascist, reasons have been presented. Phooey and out upon 'em!

[classicman]

Sometimes blind loyalty is a good thing,
sometimes we need to simply trust.
Sometimes that trust is broken,
Sometimes irrevocably so.
Sometimes...

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Some claim my loyalty has to be blind -- because they do not share it, nor desire to, apparently out of the rankest prejudice against Republicans.

They know so little, so very little.

And yet, they write as people who assume I should follow them.

The kindest thing that may be said of such is that they enjoy democracy, but do not value it.

[spudcon]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Some claim my loyalty has to be blind -- because they do not share it, nor desire to, apparently out of the rankest prejudice against Republicans.

They know so little, so very little.

And yet, they write as people who assume I should follow them.

The kindest thing that may be said of such is that they enjoy democracy, but do not value it.

Bravo

[classicman]

Ahh my dear UG - sometimes you read, but do not see.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

This is not one of those times -- I never floccinaucinihilipilificate without reason. And do I have to look any too hard?

[classicman]

yes, for twice now you have missed that which I said.