When Obama says things like this... - Page 3

lookout123 · 12-19-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tw

Even Tommy Smothers learned from history.

yeah, but it was an old radio. and besides, custer probably had it coming.

classicman · 12-18-2007, 12:20 PM

I was not endorsing any president at all. Certainly not Bush Sr who only got in because of Reagan. I was specifically talking candidates, not presidents. Perhaps that was not clearly articulated.

classicman · 12-18-2007, 12:23 PM

Specifically the last three elections have been full of, to me, very lackluster candidates. I am not specifically talking bout the final two either I mean the crop that we have to choose from in each party do not really excite me at all. Guess I'm just disheartened about the whole thing.

piercehawkeye45 · 12-18-2007, 01:33 PM

Somehow I don't think it will get much better either unless there is a big change in the way America sees its leaders.

classicman · 12-18-2007, 02:32 PM

I think my problem is that someone who would possess the qualities which I would look for in a leader won't be involved in politics.

Shawnee123 · 12-18-2007, 04:16 PM

H R Pufnstuf for president!

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-22-2007, 05:57 AM

I have the recent example of William Jefferson Clinton and the distant example of Warren Gamaliel Harding as worst Presidents.

That GWB is not appreciated by the Left hardly makes him among the worst of history -- except among the Koolaidsters there, and I set their opinion at nil.

Griff · 12-22-2007, 08:38 AM

Who was worse Woodrow Wilson or George W. Bush? They are one and two, you pick the spot. Don't make the mistake of thinking the left constitutes all the anti-Bush feeling out there. Some people would just prefer a quietly industrious Republic. It has been said that democracies are perfect for war making because once you get the population on board with there are no barriers. These two clowns support that point.

slang · 12-27-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

That GWB is not appreciated by the Left hardly makes him among the worst of history -- except among the Koolaidsters there, and I set their opinion at nil.

[illigal immigration]There are a few BIG things that I don't appreciate about W. [/illigal immigration]

It's entertaining to hear people complain about him though. He's the focus of everything bad that has ever happened in the universe. Is incapable of doing anything positive.

Many times just hearing them go on and on is better than watching cable TV.

Spexxvet · 12-27-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by slang

....It's entertaining to hear people complain about him though. He's the focus of everything bad that has ever happened in the universe. Is incapable of doing anything positive.
...

Sounds like the repubican take on the Clintons.

slang · 12-27-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Sounds like the repubican take on the Clintons.

True enough. The problem is that the extremes are becoming more dramatic.

One side is down and bitching, then the other side is down and bitching even louder. Each polar shift slides us closer to the extreme.

What happens for me when the tide shifts again and we've got a liberal socialist in office again? What the fuck do you think I'm doing cruising the world digging out a space for? I'll just leave until the political winds change. There will be options. I'm certain that many will appreciate my absence and I'll surely appreciate getting away from a left leaning US.

What does the next swing mean for the rest of the Americans? Will the election of the most devisive woman in the history of politics make half of the population crazy? Absolutely. Will they appear as crazy as the anti-Bush whackos? Surely.

Either way things go, there is a place for me to step out of the way and keep liberals and the like out of my life. It's a win-win.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-24-2007, 02:15 AM

The destruction, the vitiation, of undemocracy is not, so far as I can see, the work of clowns, however hostile the Left may be to an increase of genuine democracy's chances worldwide and to the reduction of less-than-democracies. This is why I support George Bush, and nobody here has presented a good enough reason to stop doing it. Many very bad, pro-fascist, reasons have been presented. Phooey and out upon 'em!

classicman · 12-24-2007, 10:38 AM

Sometimes blind loyalty is a good thing,
sometimes we need to simply trust.
Sometimes that trust is broken,
Sometimes irrevocably so.
Sometimes...

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-25-2007, 01:24 AM

Some claim my loyalty has to be blind -- because they do not share it, nor desire to, apparently out of the rankest prejudice against Republicans.

They know so little, so very little.

And yet, they write as people who assume I should follow them.

The kindest thing that may be said of such is that they enjoy democracy, but do not value it.

spudcon · 12-25-2007, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Some claim my loyalty has to be blind -- because they do not share it, nor desire to, apparently out of the rankest prejudice against Republicans.

They know so little, so very little.

And yet, they write as people who assume I should follow them.

The kindest thing that may be said of such is that they enjoy democracy, but do not value it.

Bravo

12-18-2007, 12:20 PM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I was not endorsing any president at all. Certainly not Bush Sr who only got in because of Reagan. I was specifically talking candidates, not presidents. Perhaps that was not clearly articulated. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-18-2007, 12:23 PM	#3
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Specifically the last three elections have been full of, to me, very lackluster candidates. I am not specifically talking bout the final two either I mean the crop that we have to choose from in each party do not really excite me at all. Guess I'm just disheartened about the whole thing. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-18-2007, 02:32 PM	#5
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I think my problem is that someone who would possess the qualities which I would look for in a leader won't be involved in politics. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-22-2007, 05:57 AM	#7
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I have the recent example of William Jefferson Clinton and the distant example of Warren Gamaliel Harding as worst Presidents. That GWB is not appreciated by the Left hardly makes him among the worst of history -- except among the Koolaidsters there, and I set their opinion at nil. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-22-2007, 08:38 AM	#8
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Who was worse Woodrow Wilson or George W. Bush? They are one and two, you pick the spot. Don't make the mistake of thinking the left constitutes all the anti-Bush feeling out there. Some people would just prefer a quietly industrious Republic. It has been said that democracies are perfect for war making because once you get the population on board with there are no barriers. These two clowns support that point. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-18-2007, 01:33 PM	#4
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Somehow I don't think it will get much better either unless there is a big change in the way America sees its leaders.

12-18-2007, 04:16 PM	#6
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	H R Pufnstuf for president!

12-24-2007, 02:15 AM	#12
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	The destruction, the vitiation, of undemocracy is not, so far as I can see, the work of clowns, however hostile the Left may be to an increase of genuine democracy's chances worldwide and to the reduction of less-than-democracies. This is why I support George Bush, and nobody here has presented a good enough reason to stop doing it. Many very bad, pro-fascist, reasons have been presented. Phooey and out upon 'em! __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-24-2007, 10:38 AM	#13
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Sometimes blind loyalty is a good thing, sometimes we need to simply trust. Sometimes that trust is broken, Sometimes irrevocably so. Sometimes... __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-25-2007, 01:24 AM	#14
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Some claim my loyalty has to be blind -- because they do not share it, nor desire to, apparently out of the rankest prejudice against Republicans. They know so little, so very little. And yet, they write as people who assume I should follow them. The kindest thing that may be said of such is that they enjoy democracy, but do not value it. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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