Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lookout123

yeah, that is a great example of the average american.

hey but it feeds his propaganda, am I right?

[lookout123]

kitsune is a bit left of center but history would show him to be a lot less prone to throwing propaganda about than a few others around here.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lookout123

kitsune is a bit left of center but history would show him to be a lot less prone to throwing propaganda about than a few others around here.

I still don't know what it was, can you tell me?

[Happy Monkey]

An interviewer (I'm guessing from a British comedy show) asking people what security measures they'd support against Muslims, from ID cards to badges to number tattoos to incarceration until the end of the war.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

An interviewer (I'm guessing from a British comedy show) asking people what security measures they'd support against Muslims, from ID cards to badges to number tattoos to incarceration until the end of the war.

Sounds pretty funny. I will have to check it out when I get home. Reminds me of stuff that Carlos Mencia does with "beaners!". The guy is a hoot.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by lookout123

history would show him to be a lot less prone to throwing propaganda about

But not less prone to posting things to stir up shit.

No, this heavily edited comedy video is not representative of the average American, nor should it be taken as such. In my place of work I'd say only 20% of people I know support these kinds of ideas.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

But not less prone to posting things to stir up shit.

No, this heavily edited comedy video is not representative of the average American, nor should it be taken as such. In my place of work I'd say only 20% of people I know support these kinds of ideas.

20%!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!! One of my jobs is on a Military Post. I could find maybe 1% of the people who think that way.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

20%!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!! One of my jobs is on a Military Post. I could find maybe 1% of the people who think that way.

In a building where several thousand IT workers feel as if they are under constant threat of job loss due to outsourcing, a lot of interesting hate directed at foreigners develops when you dump in more than 1,000 H1Bs from other countries who follow different beliefs and barely speak English. Force them to interact under harsh deadlines, and it often gets ugly. In my old group of 12, there were three people who were very vocal about their desire for laws that would ship off every single non-citizen and lock up every Muslim for the security of our country. In my current group there are not as many who voice those opinions while on the job (less than five out of a room of 41), but some of the chatter at the bar suggests the ideas are just as strong and just as prevalent.

I don't talk politics over beer with co-workers, anymore. Ever.

[DanaC]

An interviewer (I'm guessing from a British comedy show)

That wasn't a British accent.

[Clodfobble]

The Chasers are that same group that got in trouble for freely being allowed into the APEC secured zone in Australia, right?

[ElBandito]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It has very little to do with Islam. It has to do with a minority of radical elements who have co-opted the cause and a majority who are afraid to speak up. There is no way you can compare the democracy of today to the Nazi's and Facists of yesteryear. It is like people who believe in Bible code. Parallels can be drawn from many situations.

I think what we tend to lose sight of is that initially the Nazi party was a minority of radical elements who co-opted a cause and led a majority who were afraid to speak up...

There's nothing that's simultaneously more chilling and entertaining than watching 'Triumph of the Will', most expressly the scene with over 100,000 'Road-workers' standing in formation with their shovels on their shoulders. These guys weren't the military, they were roadworkers. And in the film they espoused a certain nationalistic fervour that's (in retrospect quite camp) rather scary.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

In a building where several thousand IT workers feel as if they are under constant threat of job loss due to outsourcing, a lot of interesting hate directed at foreigners develops when you dump in more than 1,000 H1Bs from other countries who follow different beliefs and barely speak English. Force them to interact under harsh deadlines, and it often gets ugly. In my old group of 12, there were three people who were very vocal about their desire for laws that would ship off every single non-citizen and lock up every Muslim for the security of our country. In my current group there are not as many who voice those opinions while on the job (less than five out of a room of 41), but some of the chatter at the bar suggests the ideas are just as strong and just as prevalent.

I don't talk politics over beer with co-workers, anymore. Ever.

Sounds pretty harsh.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by ElBandito

I think what we tend to lose sight of is that initially the Nazi party was a minority of radical elements who co-opted a cause and led a majority who were afraid to speak up...

I thought the Hitler was tremendously popular right before and during the the beginning of the war?

Hitler brought the whole country out of one of the biggest depressions in history, and raised the standard of living of everyone that was "pure". Hitler was probably just as popular as FDR if not even more.

For the whole Jews part. From a civilian standpoint, they didn't know about the holocaust at the time or just chose to be ignorant, the Jews were probably treated in the same way as blacks were treated in the United States. The US was pretty anti-semitic at the time as well. I think it had to do more with the Nazi party hiding facts and the people too concerned about other interests to care about what was happening to them. That is the scariest part about any country, the people not even caring that they are being taken over from the inside.

Here is an article about why Hitler was so popular:
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0703a.asp

Here is the discussion on the cellar:
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=15017

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

. . . and you ought to be stoned to death.

By means of a remarkably big spliff.

[queequeger]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I don't think they don't expect anything, nor do Americans think they are a "super-race". It is MHO that the "ill effects" are overblown.

You can't seriously tell me that Americans don't feel 'special' or 'superior' in majority. Look at any thread on illegal immigration and the whole thing will REEK of excessive nationalism. Any topic comparing the US to any other nation or group of people results in this display of flag waving and preaching.

Since WWII our government has been employing propaganda machines saying that effectively we are democracy, we are the perfected government and we must defend our freedom-democracy-liberty machine against the evil intentioned 'other.' The difference now is that the 'war information movies' don't have the 'office of war information' banner at the beginning. In fact, the videos and press that are shared now have been engineered to look like real news, trying to hide their propaganda.

Let's be clear: I'm not using 'propaganda' in the sense that it is exclusively produced by the US. Just about every country that has been involved in a modern war has used it to rally their people. This is mostly because people almost never react the way their leaders want if they are presented with all the information and given a while to decide. It's FAR more effective to create a black-and-white landscape.

The point I'm making is that you cannot refute the claim that Americans have been raised by birth to believe that we are THE beacon of democracy and enemies are all around us, who hate freedom. I think, in fact, that the 90s were the only decade in recent memory where there WASN'T a vast faceless enemy trying to destroy us... mostly because there was no group that could be made into it.

Also... how does it have nothing to do with Islam when the name we given to our enemy is 'The Islamo-fascists.' Why aren't they just fascists?