Revolting? - Page 3

bluecuracao · 05-12-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

even though they aren't aliens themselves.

Just to let you know, the Martians are in full support.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-12-2007, 10:04 AM

I'm gonna snap your ass with a wet towel, lady.

Spexxvet · 05-12-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Drift? You started the thread with it!

Just because the quote had "gun" in it, doesn't mean it's about guns. Are you so obsessed that you made a leap like that?

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Originally Posted by jinx

No matter how unlikely you consider an armed revolt to be - how could you possibly consider it so unlikely that it makes sense to disarm the populace? That's what I don't understand....

Please cite where I've suggested disarming the populace.

Spexxvet · 05-12-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...there are people that will support causes that don't affect them just because they believe in freedom. People that aren't so selfish that they say, well, that's not my problem, it doesn't affect me...

And there are people that won't. Thank you for proving my point.

jinx · 05-12-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Just because the quote had "gun" in it, doesn't mean it's about guns. Are you so obsessed that you made a leap like that?
Please cite where I've suggested disarming the populace.

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Do you think there could or would be an armed revolt in America?

How do you have an armed revolt if you're not armed?

xoxoxoBruce · 05-12-2007, 12:13 PM

Proving your point? Are you nuts? Your statement was;

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As an example, if the government outlaws guns, only the pro-gun contingent will revolt, and they would be viewed as outlaws by everyone else.

I said that is not so. There will be people who are not pro-gun but pro-freedom who will side with the rebels because the believe in freedom.
You can't even keep track of what your point is or you don't know how to express it. Either way, my statement was completely opposite the one you made.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-12-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

How do you have an armed revolt if you're not armed?

Bombs and illegal guns.

If you were to actually revolt, using legal guns besides rifles and shotguns won't get you very far.

cowhead · 05-12-2007, 05:31 PM

the thing is.. if there were an affront made the government that was so heinous that it would cause the general public to really rise up.. I'd more than likely go with 'em. anywhoo! I suppose it depends on what level of revolt there was to be, the 2nd gives us the right to bear arms, and from what I understand that was primarily due to the revolutionary war, as a 'just in case clause'.. however military technology (that which the government owns) vs. that which we (the general public owns) would make it a short open fight, however... as seen in iraq and afghanistan a protracted and intense revolution is well within the possibilities. but I personally am not picking up a gun and picking a fight until it's really needed.

(and in my opinion there have been some affronts that are tantamount to that. and I for one am offended that I and more people haven't stood up and said "hey! what the fuck is that! that's not my country! keep that shit up and I'll have something to say with lead.. and not from a pencil)

Undertoad · 05-12-2007, 05:47 PM

In this country we change stuff through elections. The time to worry is when they cancel the elections.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-13-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

In this country we change stuff through elections. The time to worry is when they cancel the elections.

The problem is that we only have two parties that are basically the same in the larger picture and are controlled by corporations and the upper class. It would be nearly extremely hard for a socialist party to get any support if America did shift that way.

Undertoad · 05-13-2007, 10:02 AM

No worries: if it did shift that way, the parties would shift too.

Spexxvet · 05-13-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

How do you have an armed revolt if you're not armed?

Ok, for Jinx, let's all agree that this revolution does not have to be a revolution with guns - wouldn't want anyone else to misconstrue the premise. This revolt can be peaceful, non-violent, or using rock, pointy sticks, or bananas. Now that we've clarified that, let's get on with the POINT of the discussion.

Spexxvet · 05-13-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

How do you have an armed revolt if you're not armed?

BTW, that's a stretch if you're interpreting that to mean I suggested to "disarm the populace".

Spexxvet · 05-13-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Proving your point? Are you nuts? Your statement was;
I said that is not so. There will be people who are not pro-gun but pro-freedom who will side with the rebels because the believe in freedom.
You can't even keep track of what your point is or you don't know how to express it. Either way, my statement was completely opposite the one you made.

Ok, Bruce, I concede. People will be divided into

Agree, join revolt
Agree, sit out
Agree, fight against revolt
Disagree, join revolt
Disagree, sit out
Disagree, fight against revolt
Don't care, join revolt
Don't care, sit out
Don't care, fight against revolt

Did I miss anything?

xoxoxoBruce · 05-13-2007, 11:34 AM

Most likely there would be people that join up because, even though they don't care about the particular bitch the group starting it has, they have there own grudge against the government.

I don't see the government making one move that could cause a revolution. But, if they keep pissing off this group and that group, until the vast majority is fed up, then one move could trigger it.

It's easier to stir shit up when you have a group with lots of gripes. That way instead of one person saying the government did this, everyone agrees, rally over..... you get a series of gripes, everyone agrees with each, and the emotions build with each gripe until the shit is well stirred. It's a big help when you're hiding in the woods, in the rain/snow, low on food and no place to plug in your contact lens warmer.

05-12-2007, 10:04 AM	#32
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I'm gonna snap your ass with a wet towel, lady. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-12-2007, 05:31 PM	#38
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	the thing is.. if there were an affront made the government that was so heinous that it would cause the general public to really rise up.. I'd more than likely go with 'em. anywhoo! I suppose it depends on what level of revolt there was to be, the 2nd gives us the right to bear arms, and from what I understand that was primarily due to the revolutionary war, as a 'just in case clause'.. however military technology (that which the government owns) vs. that which we (the general public owns) would make it a short open fight, however... as seen in iraq and afghanistan a protracted and intense revolution is well within the possibilities. but I personally am not picking up a gun and picking a fight until it's really needed. (and in my opinion there have been some affronts that are tantamount to that. and I for one am offended that I and more people haven't stood up and said "hey! what the fuck is that! that's not my country! keep that shit up and I'll have something to say with lead.. and not from a pencil) __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

05-13-2007, 11:34 AM	#45
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Most likely there would be people that join up because, even though they don't care about the particular bitch the group starting it has, they have there own grudge against the government. I don't see the government making one move that could cause a revolution. But, if they keep pissing off this group and that group, until the vast majority is fed up, then one move could trigger it. It's easier to stir shit up when you have a group with lots of gripes. That way instead of one person saying the government did this, everyone agrees, rally over..... you get a series of gripes, everyone agrees with each, and the emotions build with each gripe until the shit is well stirred. It's a big help when you're hiding in the woods, in the rain/snow, low on food and no place to plug in your contact lens warmer. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-12-2007, 05:47 PM	#39
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	In this country we change stuff through elections. The time to worry is when they cancel the elections.

05-13-2007, 10:02 AM	#41
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	No worries: if it did shift that way, the parties would shift too.

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