Unilateral attacks

[jaguar]

Hubris! The soltuion is obvious!
It all just became clear. Al we need is some other country to bomb them both, and they'll band together to destory the new enemy in an orgy of 17y.o girls withs bombs being fired from apache choppers while peace will reign in the middle east. I vote for using New Zealand.

And while i'm talking about the inane and the middle east
"IDF soldiers used koran as toilet paper"
http://ummahnews.com/viewarticle.php?sid=3337

Originally posted by jaguar
I don't hear you preaching about how godawful that is, how spraying live gunfire just above the heads of unarmed civilians instead of just telling them to get off the street before lowering it to chet height is disgraceful, or firing live rounds at peaceful international protesters is absolutely unacceptable. Not to mention using human shields, including ambulance officers, then shooting an ambulances. But when its some desperate kid who has nothing to live for and chooses to go out with a bang, its an abomonition that cannot be justified.

You not hearing and me not saying are two entirely different things. I have been highly critical of Israel over the past few months in addition to being critical of the Palestinian extremists. I suggest you find some of the other threads and read through them.

It’s fucking horrible whatever way you look at it but it’s the only option

I guess "not killing innocent civilians" just doesn't register to you as an option? Or maybe "limiting the scope of the suicide attacks to hit only military personnel"? Both of those are entirely possible but not considered by the Palestinian extremists groups. Whereas Israel makes every effort to nail the militants and kills some civilians in the process, it's the other way around for the Palestinian extremists. As I said before, that's a pretty goddamn big difference between the two sides. Imagine, if you will, that for every suicide bombing that kills 28 and wounds 150 (like the Passover attack in Netanya), Israel rounds up 178 civilians, kills 28 of them outright and then mutilates the rest of them in a Qur'an Approved (TM) "eye for an eye" methodology.

Wouldn't that be pretty unfair and awful?

So why is it any different when the Palestinians do it? Why do you look at that with understanding? Would you dare say that it was the "only option" for the Israeli government? Then why do you classify it as such for the Palestinians?

There is <b>no excuse</b> to target innocent civilians, <b>period</b>. I don't care what way you spice it up to make it look okay; it never will be.

[Hubris Boy]

Originally posted by jaguar
It all just became clear. Al we need is some other country to bomb them both, and they'll band together to destory the new enemy in an orgy of 17y.o girls withs bombs being fired from apache choppers while peace will reign in the middle east. I vote for using New Zealand.

Nah. Not their style. Besides... what would the Kiwis use to launch such an attack? Their "air force" is down to about a half-dozen P-3s with obsolete avionics and a handful of aging C-130s. I'd be more afraid of the All Blacks than the RNZAF. (Why not turn Jonah Lomu loose on them, instead?)

Anyway, I've got relatives in Wellington and I'd just as soon not see them dragged into this mess. Australia, on the other hand, has something very much like a real air force. And John Howard would probably be more receptive to your idea than Helen Clark. Why don't you give him a call?

[jaguar]

Hmm good point. Although our army isn't exactly up with the best
our tanks are 40 years old and we don't have enough ammo to last more than 5 days of combat (recent leekd report) on the flipside we've got plenty of free space....

I guess "not killing innocent civilians" just doesn't register to you as an option? Or maybe "limiting the scope of the suicide attacks to hit only military personnel"? Both of those are entirely possible but not considered by the Palestinian extremists groups. Whereas Israel makes every effort to nail the militants and kills some civilians in the process, it's the other way around for the Palestinian extremists. As I said before, that's a pretty goddamn big difference between the two sides. Imagine, if you will, that for every suicide bombing that kills 28 and wounds 150 (like the Passover attack in Netanya), Israel rounds up 178 civilians, kills 28 of them outright and then mutilates the rest of them in a Qur'an Approved (TM) "eye for an eye" methodology.

Argh, this is getting preatitive. Why not hit military targets only.....how about becease THEY CAN'T. Last i checked jerry built explosive don't do much to M-1 tanks, and if they come near a road block they're thoughly searched or shot. As it is something like 5% of bombers get though.

I think i can safely leave it at that.

No, you can't.

They do routinely attack military personnel (soldiers) and succeed.

So don't say it can't be done. Because it can.

If they're in a war, like both sides claim, than the only legitimate targets are the fighters. On the Palestinian side, that's the extremist militants. On the Israeli side, that's soldiers. When you deviate from those targets you lose any upper hand you may have had.

Even so, if the Palestinians were incapable of attacking military targets, that still does not excuse them from killing innocent civilians. You're trying to justify something that's completely unjustifiable.

[jaguar]

They do routinely attack military personnel (soldiers) and succeed.

Really? Haven’t seen any. Got anything to back that up? I'm genuinely curious.

If they're in a war, like both sides claim, than the only legitimate targets are the fighters. On the Palestinian side, that's the extremist militants. On the Israeli side, that's soldiers. When you deviate from those targets you lose any upper hand you may have had.

The IDF rounded up every Palestinian male between 12 and 55, sure looks like they're making a distinction.

Even so, if the Palestinians were incapable of attacking military targets, that still does not excuse them from killing innocent civilians. You're trying to justify something that's completely unjustifiable.

it’s not justifiable, but what else are they meant to do? Rock and hard place syndrome. The currant Palestinian situation in untenable, they cannot survive, state or not politics aside, somewhere something has to snap, and this is the result. I mean really, what else can they do? Depressing.