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TheMercenary · 03-27-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

So, it was overreaching,redundant,ripe for abuse, TWO YEARS AGO, and yet you're still straining and failing to justify its usefulness and benevolence?! Are you incapable of learning? My God, man, use your head. Look around you. Read a little more.

The strength of our systems, governmental and judicial, among others, is drawn largely from the twin virtues of checks and balances and openness. These two pillars of our national heritage are squarely in the crosshairs of the misleadingly titled "PATRIOT" Act. How can we say we've protected America by becoming what America is not--secretive, closed, arbitrary?

Sorry my friend, changes needed to be made. I don't think that I or our system have anything to worry about.

Spexxvet · 03-28-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Sorry my friend, changes needed to be made. I don't think that I or our system have anything to worry about.

The next change will be rectal searches with a pitchfork. You first, Mercy.

TheMercenary · 03-28-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

The next change will be rectal searches with a pitchfork. You first, Mercy.

Sorry, I'm the one that owns the pitch fork. So that will never happen.

Happy Monkey · 03-27-2007, 09:40 PM

"Changes needed to be made! These are changes! Therefore these needed to be made!"

TheMercenary · 03-27-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

"Changes needed to be made! These are changes! Therefore these needed to be made!"

You are from Monty Python aren't you? I knew I had seen you somewhere.

richlevy · 03-27-2007, 10:33 PM

Well, in theory anyone served with a national security letter can tell their congressman since the law states that Congress will be kept informed.

This however, is probably not the case since the reality is that the law is designed to keep everyone in the dark.

tw · 03-27-2007, 11:30 PM

Always remember why a Patriot Act was created. Because so many ongoing investigations that could have stopped 11 September were quashed by George Jr administration people. That is a fact as even demonstrated by a picture on the front cover of Time Magazine AND where this nation's #1 anti-terrorist investigator died.

Rather than fix the wackos in George Jr's adminstration, we created Fatherland Security provisions, wiretapping of anyone, suspended writ of Habeas Corpus, and orange alerts for terrorists that never existed.

When the president had intelligence, current laws were more than sufficient to stop every terrorist attack. So why does the Patriot Act exist?

TheMercenary · 03-27-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Always remember why a Patriot Act was created. Because so many ongoing investigations that could have stopped 11 September were quashed by George Jr administration people.

Conspiracy Theory Bull Shit Alarm

TW, I found your picture.

tw · 03-28-2007, 12:25 AM

Always remember why a Patriot Act was created. Because so many ongoing investigations that could have stopped 11 September were quashed by George Jr administration people. That is a fact as even demonstrated by a picture on the front cover of Time Magazine AND where this nation's #1 anti-terrorist investigator died.

Rather than fix the wackos in George Jr's adminstration, we created Fatherland Security provisions, wiretapping of anyone, suspended writ of Habeas Corpus, and orange alerts for terrorists that never existed.

When the president had intelligence, current laws were more than sufficient to stop every terrorist attack. So why does the Patriot Act exist?

TheMercenary · 03-28-2007, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tw

Always remember why a Patriot Act was created. Because so many ongoing investigations that could have stopped 11 September were quashed by George Jr administration people.

BS till you post an original source citation. Get off your conspiacy theory horsey.

Sundae · 03-28-2007, 09:40 AM

I have tears running down my face at the picture of the man on the horse.
I've had to come out of the thread and come back in again because it made me laugh so much first time.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Now, carry on.

Happy Monkey · 03-28-2007, 11:11 AM

Not after it's removed from your premises without a warrant, and then introduced to your gluteus without a trial.

TheMercenary · 03-28-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Not after it's removed from your premises without a warrant, and then introduced to your gluteus without a trial.

I knew those liberals were going to pass pitch fork registration and seziure sooner or later. They did pass anti-pitch fork attachment legislation for my rifle once already, so I am really not surprised they would try to take them away eventually. Thank God I have more than one.

BigV · 03-28-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I knew those liberals were going to pass pitch fork registration and seziure sooner or later. They did pass anti-pitch fork attachment legislation for my rifle once already, so I am really not surprised they would try to take them away eventually. Thank God I have more than one.

So you believe you have the right to your pitchfork. You probably justify this opinion with this:

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Originally Posted by The Constitution of the United States of America

Amendment II (1791)
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I agree that this one is important, but why would you believe that warrantless searches are ok? Isn't that covered in the same document:

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Originally Posted by The Constitution of the United States of America

Amendment IV (1791)
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

How can you say the first one is worthy and this one's not?! Who are you to decide which parts of the Constitution are worthy of respect and obedience and which are not?

I have another news flash for you. You can't delegate it away from me either. Just because *you* wish to surrender your rights, doesn't mean you surrender *my* rights. Here's why:

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Originally Posted by The Constitution of the United States of America

Amendment IX (1791)
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X (1791)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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Originally Posted by The Mercenary

I don't buy that hype. It is not unchecked.

What part of warrantless searches do you not understand?

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Originally Posted by The Mercenary

I don't think that I or our system have anything to worry about.

You've identified the root cause of the problem.

Spexxvet · 03-28-2007, 06:19 PM

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...How can you say the first one is worthy and this one's not?! ...

*cough*he'sahypocrit*cough*

03-27-2007, 09:40 PM	#4
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	"Changes needed to be made! These are changes! Therefore these needed to be made!" __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-27-2007, 10:33 PM	#6
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Well, in theory anyone served with a national security letter can tell their congressman since the law states that Congress will be kept informed. This however, is probably not the case since the reality is that the law is designed to keep everyone in the dark. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

03-28-2007, 09:40 AM	#11
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I have tears running down my face at the picture of the man on the horse. I've had to come out of the thread and come back in again because it made me laugh so much first time. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Now, carry on. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-28-2007, 11:11 AM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Not after it's removed from your premises without a warrant, and then introduced to your gluteus without a trial. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-27-2007, 11:30 PM	#7
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Always remember why a Patriot Act was created. Because so many ongoing investigations that could have stopped 11 September were quashed by George Jr administration people. That is a fact as even demonstrated by a picture on the front cover of Time Magazine AND where this nation's #1 anti-terrorist investigator died. Rather than fix the wackos in George Jr's adminstration, we created Fatherland Security provisions, wiretapping of anyone, suspended writ of Habeas Corpus, and orange alerts for terrorists that never existed. When the president had intelligence, current laws were more than sufficient to stop every terrorist attack. So why does the Patriot Act exist?

03-28-2007, 12:25 AM	#9
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Always remember why a Patriot Act was created. Because so many ongoing investigations that could have stopped 11 September were quashed by George Jr administration people. That is a fact as even demonstrated by a picture on the front cover of Time Magazine AND where this nation's #1 anti-terrorist investigator died. Rather than fix the wackos in George Jr's adminstration, we created Fatherland Security provisions, wiretapping of anyone, suspended writ of Habeas Corpus, and orange alerts for terrorists that never existed. When the president had intelligence, current laws were more than sufficient to stop every terrorist attack. So why does the Patriot Act exist?

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