Bush's Accomplishment and failure - Page 3

DanaC · 12-06-2006, 02:13 PM

then who is the 'far left' that people are sick of?

yesman065 · 12-06-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

then who is the 'far left' that people are sick of?

The Republicans - of course. But as smart as you are, I know you could have figured that out by process of elimination.

Clodfobble · 12-06-2006, 03:40 PM

You've got it backwards, yesman. Dems/liberals are left, Reps/conservatives are right.

yesman065 · 12-06-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

You've got it backwards, yesman. Dems/liberals are left, Reps/conservatives are right.

Gee really??? And I thought Dana was serious - I was only joking. We all know which extreme is which and that most of us fall somewhere in between.

DanaC · 12-06-2006, 04:49 PM

My point yesman, is not which side is which; but rather, which ones are the extreme left? I have yet to see any evidence of 'far left' politics in the current or recent mainstream political scene.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-06-2006, 05:05 PM

And hopefully you won't...far right either.

tw · 12-06-2006, 05:46 PM

Amazing how they have us arguing over a mythical political rope - hanging at both ends like a centenary. Myth puts highest points at an extreme left and extreme right. No wonder these extremists want gerrymandering.

Reality: a rope is hanging from a Ceiling where independents are at the top and where extremist Democrats and Republicans reside at the bottom end. Frayed rope at bottom contains the various ‘least intelligent’ politicians.

George Jr is nominated for the worst president ever (see Move Over, Hoover). This made obvious because a political agenda ("Americans don't do nation building", Saddam was involved in 11 Sept, anti-ballistic missile need, nuclear bunker busting bomb, war-time president, world wide terrorism, ‘god chose me as president’, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter, ‘god told me to attack Iraq’, etc) is more important that intelligent thought.

Rope hangs highest where intelligence resides - where decisions are made after first learning facts. The rope hangs low where intelligent thought would only confuse the brown shirts. Notice, to be intelligent, one must first do the work – learn facts – be educated – learn science – learn Military Science 101, etc. Low intelligence is a characteristic of extremist politicians who don’t even have sufficient brain power to climb that rope. To find intelligence, then find independents.

What did intelligent people recognize on 7 Nov 2006? That the president is wrong, a liar, and his war was lost years ago. Only intelligent people - those highest on the rope - could see that.

Who actually makes Congress work? Those who meet in that center aisle with their intelligent peers from the other party. Moderates mean higher intelligence - decisions based on facts and not based on political rhetoric.

The rope is not a centenary. Rope hangs from the roof where independents are up; political extremists are at the bottom.

Where on that rope do we find patriots? Obviously at the top because working for America is more important than working for the party. What are extremists doing - and deny? Extremists work first and foremost for the party (just like another party - communism); America be damned. To be a patriot, one must climb that rope.

We have a benchmark for where you exist on that rope. How long ago did you see “Mission Accomplished” was lost? How many times did you ask, “when are we going after bin Laden”.

Pangloss62 · 12-06-2006, 05:49 PM

OK. Let me start by saying that I already know that I'm an arrogant SOB. Really, I know that. But after what I saw the other night I must post.

I never liked the category "World Music." What the fuck music is not of this world? Why don't they call it what they really mean, which is "Non-Western Music?" I ask this because the other night I took a heaping, sticky-sweet and self-induced dose of Billboard Magazine's top World Music group: Celtic Women.

Jesus H. Christ! What a load of ersatz-mystical-New-Age bullshit. You gotta give the guy who put it together, David Downes, credit for hitting the schmaltzy nail on the head. He also worked on that Riverdance spectacle that never seemed to go away. You see, this is why a lot of people hate me; what they really like and think is "brilliant" and "inspiring" I find nearly intolerable. How can that many people like this crap?

The entire performance was like a bad "Mystical Moods of Ireland" calendar you might see in the discount bin after Christmas. It got really painful when they trotted out the Irish pipe player to add "authenticity" to the machine-generated misty veil of Irish fog that wafted over the fake heath. Oh my goodness. You should have seen the audience in awe of the spectacle, all smiling and mouthing the words to songs so incessantly positive and "uplifting" that I nearly puked. Why did I keep watching? I must be a masochist.

But I conclude, that like a whole bunch of this "World Music" shite, it's not really Non-Western at all. In fact, with all the theatrics, bombast, and overproduction, it was quintessentially Western, a product of a shrewd business plan that tapped into the sentimental and historically myopic minds of the great middlemass (think Yanni). It was held on the grounds of an Irish castle for Chrissakes! "Times must have been so great in the Dark Ages" I said to myself. "Everything was so blue, so beautiful, and so electrically amplified back then."

And all this in spite of the fact that they didn't have bad voices.

It's gonna be on PBS a whole bunch, so be forewarned.

DanaC · 12-06-2006, 05:50 PM

For once I agree with you :P

Aliantha · 12-06-2006, 06:01 PM

What's wrong with creating something appealing to the masses from ancient cultures?

Surely some education is better than none?

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-06-2006, 09:24 PM

As immoderate as tw is, we now see clearly where his "intelligence" keeps him: below those he lauds.

richlevy · 12-06-2006, 09:42 PM

I like Celtic music and I caught a few minutes of that while channel surfing. I saw these women in white robes gliding through fog in front of a castle while making inarticulate harmonies. After hanging around for a few minutes waiting for them to bring out the human sacrifice, I decided that this was as exciting as it would get and moved on.

BTW, what's the Celtic word for 'schmaltz'?

lookout123 · 12-06-2006, 09:43 PM

larry bird

yesman065 · 12-07-2006, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC

My point yesman, is not which side is which; but rather, which ones are the extreme left? I have yet to see any evidence of 'far left' politics in the current or recent mainstream political scene.

I was referring to the general disdain - not of anything specifically current, but I fully expect it to start soon after the inaugurations.

Shawnee123 · 12-07-2006, 07:54 AM

What bothers me is its just one more genre falling to the "you have to be really attractive to make music" game. Country started it.

Just...Yuck...that's all I can say.

12-06-2006, 05:05 PM	#36
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And hopefully you won't...far right either. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-06-2006, 05:46 PM	#37
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Amazing how they have us arguing over a mythical political rope - hanging at both ends like a centenary. Myth puts highest points at an extreme left and extreme right. No wonder these extremists want gerrymandering. Reality: a rope is hanging from a Ceiling where independents are at the top and where extremist Democrats and Republicans reside at the bottom end. Frayed rope at bottom contains the various ‘least intelligent’ politicians. George Jr is nominated for the worst president ever (see Move Over, Hoover). This made obvious because a political agenda ("Americans don't do nation building", Saddam was involved in 11 Sept, anti-ballistic missile need, nuclear bunker busting bomb, war-time president, world wide terrorism, ‘god chose me as president’, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter, ‘god told me to attack Iraq’, etc) is more important that intelligent thought. Rope hangs highest where intelligence resides - where decisions are made after first learning facts. The rope hangs low where intelligent thought would only confuse the brown shirts. Notice, to be intelligent, one must first do the work – learn facts – be educated – learn science – learn Military Science 101, etc. Low intelligence is a characteristic of extremist politicians who don’t even have sufficient brain power to climb that rope. To find intelligence, then find independents. What did intelligent people recognize on 7 Nov 2006? That the president is wrong, a liar, and his war was lost years ago. Only intelligent people - those highest on the rope - could see that. Who actually makes Congress work? Those who meet in that center aisle with their intelligent peers from the other party. Moderates mean higher intelligence - decisions based on facts and not based on political rhetoric. The rope is not a centenary. Rope hangs from the roof where independents are up; political extremists are at the bottom. Where on that rope do we find patriots? Obviously at the top because working for America is more important than working for the party. What are extremists doing - and deny? Extremists work first and foremost for the party (just like another party - communism); America be damned. To be a patriot, one must climb that rope. We have a benchmark for where you exist on that rope. How long ago did you see “Mission Accomplished” was lost? How many times did you ask, “when are we going after bin Laden”. Last edited by tw; 12-06-2006 at 08:20 PM.

12-06-2006, 05:49 PM	#38
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Blue Vomit OK. Let me start by saying that I already know that I'm an arrogant SOB. Really, I know that. But after what I saw the other night I must post. I never liked the category "World Music." What the fuck music is not of this world? Why don't they call it what they really mean, which is "Non-Western Music?" I ask this because the other night I took a heaping, sticky-sweet and self-induced dose of Billboard Magazine's top World Music group: Celtic Women. Jesus H. Christ! What a load of ersatz-mystical-New-Age bullshit. You gotta give the guy who put it together, David Downes, credit for hitting the schmaltzy nail on the head. He also worked on that Riverdance spectacle that never seemed to go away. You see, this is why a lot of people hate me; what they really like and think is "brilliant" and "inspiring" I find nearly intolerable. How can that many people like this crap? The entire performance was like a bad "Mystical Moods of Ireland" calendar you might see in the discount bin after Christmas. It got really painful when they trotted out the Irish pipe player to add "authenticity" to the machine-generated misty veil of Irish fog that wafted over the fake heath. Oh my goodness. You should have seen the audience in awe of the spectacle, all smiling and mouthing the words to songs so incessantly positive and "uplifting" that I nearly puked. Why did I keep watching? I must be a masochist. But I conclude, that like a whole bunch of this "World Music" shite, it's not really Non-Western at all. In fact, with all the theatrics, bombast, and overproduction, it was quintessentially Western, a product of a shrewd business plan that tapped into the sentimental and historically myopic minds of the great middlemass (think Yanni). It was held on the grounds of an Irish castle for Chrissakes! "Times must have been so great in the Dark Ages" I said to myself. "Everything was so blue, so beautiful, and so electrically amplified back then." And all this in spite of the fact that they didn't have bad voices. It's gonna be on PBS a whole bunch, so be forewarned. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

12-06-2006, 06:01 PM	#40
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	What's wrong with creating something appealing to the masses from ancient cultures? Surely some education is better than none? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-06-2006, 09:24 PM	#41
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	As immoderate as tw is, we now see clearly where his "intelligence" keeps him: below those he lauds. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-06-2006, 02:13 PM	#31
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	then who is the 'far left' that people are sick of?

12-06-2006, 03:40 PM	#33
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	You've got it backwards, yesman. Dems/liberals are left, Reps/conservatives are right.

12-06-2006, 04:49 PM	#35
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	My point yesman, is not which side is which; but rather, which ones are the extreme left? I have yet to see any evidence of 'far left' politics in the current or recent mainstream political scene.

12-06-2006, 05:50 PM	#39
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	For once I agree with you :P

12-06-2006, 09:42 PM	#42
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	I like Celtic music and I caught a few minutes of that while channel surfing. I saw these women in white robes gliding through fog in front of a castle while making inarticulate harmonies. After hanging around for a few minutes waiting for them to bring out the human sacrifice, I decided that this was as exciting as it would get and moved on. BTW, what's the Celtic word for 'schmaltz'? __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

12-06-2006, 09:43 PM	#43
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	larry bird __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

12-07-2006, 07:54 AM	#45
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	What bothers me is its just one more genre falling to the "you have to be really attractive to make music" game. Country started it. Just...Yuck...that's all I can say. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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