Student shot with Taser by UCPD officers - Page 3

Spexxvet · 11-17-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I don't. I don't know the answer to either question.

That's why I asked. I'm not trying to escalate things, here - it was not a rhetorical question.

Flint · 11-17-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I'm not trying to escalate things, here...

>>>>>>> :::tasers you, just to be sure:::

Shawnee123 · 11-17-2006, 11:08 AM

It's not only NOT a direct correlation, it's so far from correlating to the real situation it's not even funny.

Or as Jules would say (WWJS) Ain't no fuckin' ballpark neither

Undertoad · 11-17-2006, 11:23 AM

If we want to connect the dots properly, we should wait for the next shoe to drop.

If the couldn't-get-a-real-cop-job cops are punished, if the lad wins in a lawsuit, if the public reaction is one of horror and not he-deserved-it finger wagging, then we are truly not in a 1984ish fascist situation.

In fact to conceive of Homeland Security as offering us a fascist situation and not merely federal policing in an often-incompetent government is a leap.

One way we know this, is that we feel free to say these things on this thread.

Happy Monkey · 11-18-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

if the public reaction is one of horror and not he-deserved-it finger wagging, then we are truly not in a 1984ish fascist situation.

I'm certainly seeing a bunch of that here, and on other sites that covered this story.

Flint · 11-17-2006, 11:25 AM

And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

Trilby · 11-17-2006, 11:34 AM

hmmm. Just a thought: I hate the campus police. They were no where to be found when a student (male) was kidnapped and carjacked--he managed to get out of his van when the perps got downtown (quite a ways from campus) this happened at 6pm when the parking lot is pretty effing empty. HOWEVER, these same police are there in a second to ticket someone who parks illegally (a 50.00$ fine; parking permits also cost 50.00).

I hate them.

that said, knowing that these people are wannabe's, I'd do what they asked and throw in plenty of "sir's" and "ma'am's". They require that. easy-peasy.\

Kid lacks life experience. Doesn't mean he needs to be tased. He just needs to get a life. Reminds me of Python: "Now we see the violence inherit in the system!"

Flint · 11-17-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

"Now we see the violence inherit in the system!"

Sundae · 11-17-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Kid lacks life experience. Doesn't mean he needs to be tased. He just needs to get a life. Reminds me of Python: "Now we see the violence inherit in the system!"

I'll take your Python and raise you a Ghostbuster:
"Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider, huh?"

Undertoad · 11-17-2006, 11:47 AM

If everyone is certain there is a libertarian crisis, there is no libertarian crisis. A libertarian crisis happens when we are not concerned and not paying attention.

I was in the Libertarian Party and I was real concerned about getting the word out on the various libertarian crises happening all around us every day. You could not blink and not see another one. They were all around us. From the Polish immigrant who lost all the value of his land and thus his savings, when his backyard was declared a "wetlands" and it wasn't; to the FBI sniper shooting an innocent man's wife between the eyes at Ruby Ridge; to the average tax rate increasing from 10% to 50% over 70 years. My God, Can These Things Happen In America?

Now that I'm a little older and wiser, I notice that these are mostly not horrible trends and crises, but pockets of incompetency, injustice, How The System Actually Works, and plain old "shit happens". When combined with a little of my naivete at how things work, these became mountains.

So I guess my advice is, Don't Panic

Flint · 11-17-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

If everyone is certain there is a libertarian crisis, there is no libertarian crisis. A libertarian crisis happens when we are not concerned and not paying attention.

If you define "everyone" as a small pocket of habitual internet debaters, and the alarmist, but obscure, journalistic pieces they quote, then sure, "everyone" is concerned and paying attention. I simply question whether you can project your own personal alertness on the rest of society.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

So I guess my advice is, Don't Panic

Not panicking out of ignorance isn't the same as an informed person, like yourself, not panicking.

wolf · 11-17-2006, 12:49 PM

I would like to see the 10 minutes before that video starts, which would give the situational context to understand why the Taser was used.

Torrere · 11-17-2006, 01:24 PM

Why were they doing random student id checks in the library in the first place? Do you have to be 21 now before you can study at a library table, or something like that?

Sundae · 11-17-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Torrere

Why were they doing random student id checks in the library in the first place? Do you have to be 21 now before you can study at a library table, or something like that?

I don't know how things work there, but am assuming on a fairly open campus they do spot checks to make sure people using the facilities are actually students.

Undertoad · 11-17-2006, 01:51 PM

Kid plans lawsuit

via Fark:

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An account of a UCLA-student message board from someone who witnessed the event:

"Yes, I was indeed at Powell Library at approximately 11:30 on Tuesday night, and yes I did see the entire event as it went down.

Let me start off by saying that the guy DEFINITELY was asking to get his ass kicked. He was being extremely rude with the campus patrol guys (who are college students...this was before the real UCPD got called in). He was not complying with their requests to leave the premises, and he was definitely itching for a fight. I actually know the guy and a few of his friends, and I can tell you that he's the kind of guy that loves to make trouble.

Just as a little backstory, one of the quotes the guy has on his facebook (which he now has taken down) was "I like to find the most difficult solutions to the simplest of problems".

via that LA Times story

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UCLA also said that Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests by a community service officer and regular campus police to provide identification or to leave.
...
He said that Tabatabainejad, when asked for his ID after 11 p.m. Tuesday, declined because he thought he was being singled out because of his Middle Eastern appearance. Yagman said Tabatabainejad is of Iranian descent but is a U.S.-born resident of Los Angeles.

The lawyer said Tabatabainejad eventually decided to leave the library but when an officer refused the student's request to take his hand off him, the student fell limp to the floor, again to avoid participating in what he considered a case of racial profiling. After police started firing the Taser, Tabatabainejad tried to "get the beating, the use of brutal force, to stop by shouting and causing people to watch. Generally, police don't want to do their dirties in front of a lot of witnesses."

Of course, none of this excuses any kind of bad police work by bad cops.

11-17-2006, 11:08 AM	#3
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11-17-2006, 11:25 AM	#6
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11-17-2006, 12:49 PM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I would like to see the 10 minutes before that video starts, which would give the situational context to understand why the Taser was used. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-17-2006, 11:23 AM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If we want to connect the dots properly, we should wait for the next shoe to drop. If the couldn't-get-a-real-cop-job cops are punished, if the lad wins in a lawsuit, if the public reaction is one of horror and not he-deserved-it finger wagging, then we are truly not in a 1984ish fascist situation. In fact to conceive of Homeland Security as offering us a fascist situation and not merely federal policing in an often-incompetent government is a leap. One way we know this, is that we feel free to say these things on this thread.

11-17-2006, 11:34 AM	#7
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	hmmm. Just a thought: I hate the campus police. They were no where to be found when a student (male) was kidnapped and carjacked--he managed to get out of his van when the perps got downtown (quite a ways from campus) this happened at 6pm when the parking lot is pretty effing empty. HOWEVER, these same police are there in a second to ticket someone who parks illegally (a 50.00$ fine; parking permits also cost 50.00). I hate them. that said, knowing that these people are wannabe's, I'd do what they asked and throw in plenty of "sir's" and "ma'am's". They require that. easy-peasy.\ Kid lacks life experience. Doesn't mean he needs to be tased. He just needs to get a life. Reminds me of Python: "Now we see the violence inherit in the system!"

11-17-2006, 11:47 AM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If everyone is certain there is a libertarian crisis, there is no libertarian crisis. A libertarian crisis happens when we are not concerned and not paying attention. I was in the Libertarian Party and I was real concerned about getting the word out on the various libertarian crises happening all around us every day. You could not blink and not see another one. They were all around us. From the Polish immigrant who lost all the value of his land and thus his savings, when his backyard was declared a "wetlands" and it wasn't; to the FBI sniper shooting an innocent man's wife between the eyes at Ruby Ridge; to the average tax rate increasing from 10% to 50% over 70 years. My God, Can These Things Happen In America? Now that I'm a little older and wiser, I notice that these are mostly not horrible trends and crises, but pockets of incompetency, injustice, How The System Actually Works, and plain old "shit happens". When combined with a little of my naivete at how things work, these became mountains. So I guess my advice is, Don't Panic

11-17-2006, 01:24 PM	#13
Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	Why were they doing random student id checks in the library in the first place? Do you have to be 21 now before you can study at a library table, or something like that?

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