Parallel Musical Universe - Page 3

elSicomoro · 05-17-2002, 06:37 PM

You know what? I never did head down there while I lived there. My friend and I always talked about going there, but never did before I moved. It has been highly recommended though.

The one place I did go to a lot was a place called Bobby's. It's at 7401 Manchester Road in downtown Maplewood (just west of the city)...primarily a creole restaurant and bar. I used to go down there almost every Friday night after work. On Fridays and Saturdays, they have free jazz and blues performances in the bar. They used to serve free red beans and rice on Fridays, although that might have changed in the 3 years since I've left St. Louis. The artists play (or at least used to) on this really tiny stage above the bar. Good stuff.

Griff · 05-19-2002, 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by warch
Me too! No asparagus to harvest (Mary Washington), still too young, so I'll wait till next year. But the rhubarb is superbarb. The heirloom tomatos are in the ground- Brandywines and zebras. And I just picked up some blooming regent serviceberry plants. Now if I can only get the berries before the birds do.

I put two varieties (purple passion and supermale) in the ground this spring, so I won't harvest for 2-3 years. The old German lady we're hatching goslings for has been harvesting from the same patch for something like 25 years so I'd say its worth the investment. What do you use to protect your tomatoes? Mine are still in flats. We got 2 inches of snow Sat night and a hard freeze last night, I had to cover the peas and put mason jars on the potatoes brrr...

Something to warm up with... Theres this slide guitarist named, believe it or not, Roy Rogers... He plays high energy blues and you can tell there is absolute joy there. He has played with Bonnie Raitt (yah!) John Lee Hooker (all right!) and Keith Richards (shoulda retired). His album is Slideways and was actually recorded by EMusic so I assume its an internet only deal.

warch · 05-20-2002, 10:43 AM

BelAirs report: Wow! The boys can sing, and the drummer was deeply dug into his groove. Great musicians. You could not not dance. In a rare siting, even the spousal unit was spotted moving his feet. And further, the gripping heartbreak of a rainy Twins 14th inning loss to the damn Yankees was soothed.

The BelAirs still have the genie figurine lamp on stage, I had forgotten about that atmospheric touch. Apparently they have been traveling with the lamp for about 15 years- it has undergone many bumps and major repairs. The beacon still shines. Well worth the $5 cover charge. Find them in your town if you can.

And what goes with fine music? Why, tomatos. I buy seedlings, as I only put in a few plants. Mine are about 6 inches tall- plant them deep.
I protect my babies with faith, hope, pep talks and pragmatic darwinism. "Alright tomato, you gotta want it. Show me what you're made of."
We seem to be past the spring freezes, (but you never know up here) I am in an urban lot, with some protection from wind, some heat sinkage microclimate action.

See, we can multitopic. Roy, eh?

elSicomoro · 05-30-2002, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore on 5/17/2002
Johnny Johnson is the granddaddy of rock and roll...although there are many argued as such.

You know, I completely forgot about this...and I HAVE heard this before.

From Ike Turner's induction plaque at the St. Louis Walk of Fame: "His band's 1951 single 'Rocket 88' is often regarded as the first rock & roll record."

Griff · 06-17-2002, 02:26 PM

I got a little country itch so I've been listening to The Flying Burrito Bothers. Its 70s-80s country rock with a lot of pedal steel plus the occasional fiddle/banjo riff to keep the folkies in line. They even cover some Bob Wills not bad stuff if country doesn't make you physically ill.

I wonder how many acts thought they were first? Some of the older country acts try to lay claim to that first rocker apellation. I think I heard someone argue it was Waylon Jennings but he's not old enough... Probably really belongs to an older bluesman, pretty subjective, depends where you want to draw the line... Bo Diddley might be close but still a little young I think....? We'ed need criteria, do you need a percussionist? How is rock and roll defined?

warch · 06-17-2002, 03:09 PM

I think you can thread it back to the singing breakman- Jimmy Rodgers in the 20s. Blues and Yodeling- Now that's a rockin' combination! then thars all that rockabilly. Dang, thats good stuff. Rauchier than the touring swing bands from the 30s and 40s- When the white country bands really integrated the blues. Rock came right out of jump blues. Memphis' Sun Studios in the 50s- Carl Perkins was a groundbreaker.

But I would say a defining criteria would be the lead electric guitar and strong, driving rhythm section. And some obvious country/folk element- yodeling optional.

When country music is good, it is very very good. When it's bad, it's horrid.

Joke:
Q: How many female singers does it take to sing a Patsy Cline tune?
A: Apparently all of them.

Ok, this just in. Comming attractions (or repulsions?) Country-Bluegrass Pink Floyd. I admit its intriguing.

Griff · 06-18-2002, 07:53 AM

As I understand it, Muddy Waters invented electricity so...

That PinkFloyd stuff as covered by Luther Wright is awesome. It goes well beyond the silly bluegrass covers everybody does, maybe even standing on its own.... tempted to pick up the album.

warch · 06-18-2002, 10:10 AM

Hmm... Luther Wright is tomorrow night...If I can force my attention out of the garden, maybe I'll check it out.(my garden is the great time vacuume from March to October).

And you're right, the mud man plugged into Chicago and made some new kinda blues that directly impacted rock. How about Howlin' Wolf? There's some raw wires. Yikes! Definitely a key contribution. Funny that it took the Brits revering these guys to wake America up.

Does seem that everything comes back to blues- its primal from the heart. Like with jazz- if jazz loses the simplicity, rhythm and emotion brought by blues, in my opinion, it deteriorates to empty chromatic exercizes. Over playing. dweedle dee dweedle dee- it doesnt express anything. Same with rock dogs- you need that true blue foundation. I suppose its like any art that chooses form over content.

Griff · 08-21-2002, 06:22 AM

I heard recently that Bill Monroe the father of bluegrass music is the one who actually coined the phrase rock and roll.

So I got this package in the mail with all this awesome classic Texas swing and blusey stuff on it but some butt head misplaced the card with the band names on it. So I'm wondering which cuts are the Cowtown and Lester Browns? Is that Bob Wills doing Moonlight Serenade (I think thats the instrumental tune) ? Gorgeous! I gotta change stereos in the pickup it really wasn't doing music justice but now that its on my home system I'm really pleased. Thanks much!

How is the other fair use material working out?

warch · 08-26-2002, 06:44 PM

Groovy! I bet you mean Jr. Brown. If its a deep baritone and steel, thats Brown. Cowtown's guitar-fiddle work sounds remarkably like Wills- do you mean Stardust? That's Cowtown. Best song ever.

I'm diggin' the honky tonk classics...but you knew that!
Here I reveal further wierderness, (perhaps not quite parallel, a bit diagonal in track)- I have been curious to find zither music. I love the haunting theme from "The Third Man" Its akin to mandolin, the string thing, but has that old world connection. There is more to hear...Tales From the Vienna Woods, Strauss I think, also has this haunting zither passage...Any ideas for some good zither music? I think it calls for a good record store safari. Its like a craving for Thai food.

elSicomoro · 08-26-2002, 07:33 PM

I'm not overly familiar with Bill Monroe, but I saw him on Jay Leno not too long ago and I was digging it. I wouldn't mind checking out his new CD.

Griff · 08-27-2002, 06:17 AM

He is dead, deceased, not among the living, toes up, extinguished, pushin daisys, feedin worms, de-composing so to speak.

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elSicomoro · 08-27-2002, 07:37 AM

C'mon Griff! You didn't see him perform? It was the day after Hendrix and Lennon did a duet.

Now that you mention that Griff, I remember reading about Monroe's death in Rolling Stone. The performer's name who appeared on Leno escapes me...Earl Stanley? Ralph Stanley? Scruggs? Time for Geritol for me.

warch · 08-27-2002, 04:44 PM

I bet it was Ralph Stanley, he's been all over with the O Brother tour and stuff. I had never heard anything by him till that big soundtrack. And he's haunting when he sings. It was cool he got a grammy.

What I think is interesting is how similar bluegrass form is to jazz quartet- there's the instrumentation, the improvisation, and the turns going around. Just kinda interesting. That music can be made at all is sort of magical to me.
I tried to play instruments as a kid, but sucked in a big way, thankfully I had a kind music teacher who took pity, gave me all the wierd instruments to try- bass clarinet, baritone, bassoon, maybe one would click. He basically allowed me to sit in the midst of the real players, surrounded by the music if I promised to play very softly. It was great. I still remember going to Lebanon Valley College with the high school orchestra. We were playing Dvorak's New World Symphony and the acoustics were new and perfect. We did the first two notes and it echoed like mad. Everyone stoped and just went, whoa. Pretty primal stuff. Like laying on the floor with your head between two big speakers. Rock on.

elSicomoro · 08-27-2002, 08:02 PM

Yep...it was Ralph Stanley. I did a google search just to make sure.

06-17-2002, 02:26 PM	#35
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Honky Tonk Music I got a little country itch so I've been listening to The Flying Burrito Bothers. Its 70s-80s country rock with a lot of pedal steel plus the occasional fiddle/banjo riff to keep the folkies in line. They even cover some Bob Wills not bad stuff if country doesn't make you physically ill. I wonder how many acts thought they were first? Some of the older country acts try to lay claim to that first rocker apellation. I think I heard someone argue it was Waylon Jennings but he's not old enough... Probably really belongs to an older bluesman, pretty subjective, depends where you want to draw the line... Bo Diddley might be close but still a little young I think....? We'ed need criteria, do you need a percussionist? How is rock and roll defined? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-18-2002, 07:53 AM	#37
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	As I understand it, Muddy Waters invented electricity so... That PinkFloyd stuff as covered by Luther Wright is awesome. It goes well beyond the silly bluegrass covers everybody does, maybe even standing on its own.... tempted to pick up the album. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-21-2002, 06:22 AM	#39
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I heard recently that Bill Monroe the father of bluegrass music is the one who actually coined the phrase rock and roll. So I got this package in the mail with all this awesome classic Texas swing and blusey stuff on it but some butt head misplaced the card with the band names on it. So I'm wondering which cuts are the Cowtown and Lester Browns? Is that Bob Wills doing Moonlight Serenade (I think thats the instrumental tune) ? Gorgeous! I gotta change stereos in the pickup it really wasn't doing music justice but now that its on my home system I'm really pleased. Thanks much! How is the other fair use material working out? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-27-2002, 06:17 AM	#42
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Jay Leno Master of the Dark Arts He is dead, deceased, not among the living, toes up, extinguished, pushin daisys, feedin worms, de-composing so to speak. link link2 __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis Last edited by Griff; 08-27-2002 at 06:21 AM.

05-17-2002, 06:37 PM	#31
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	You know what? I never did head down there while I lived there. My friend and I always talked about going there, but never did before I moved. It has been highly recommended though. The one place I did go to a lot was a place called Bobby's. It's at 7401 Manchester Road in downtown Maplewood (just west of the city)...primarily a creole restaurant and bar. I used to go down there almost every Friday night after work. On Fridays and Saturdays, they have free jazz and blues performances in the bar. They used to serve free red beans and rice on Fridays, although that might have changed in the 3 years since I've left St. Louis. The artists play (or at least used to) on this really tiny stage above the bar. Good stuff.

05-20-2002, 10:43 AM	#33
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	BelAirs report: Wow! The boys can sing, and the drummer was deeply dug into his groove. Great musicians. You could not not dance. In a rare siting, even the spousal unit was spotted moving his feet. And further, the gripping heartbreak of a rainy Twins 14th inning loss to the damn Yankees was soothed. The BelAirs still have the genie figurine lamp on stage, I had forgotten about that atmospheric touch. Apparently they have been traveling with the lamp for about 15 years- it has undergone many bumps and major repairs. The beacon still shines. Well worth the $5 cover charge. Find them in your town if you can. And what goes with fine music? Why, tomatos. I buy seedlings, as I only put in a few plants. Mine are about 6 inches tall- plant them deep. I protect my babies with faith, hope, pep talks and pragmatic darwinism. "Alright tomato, you gotta want it. Show me what you're made of." We seem to be past the spring freezes, (but you never know up here) I am in an urban lot, with some protection from wind, some heat sinkage microclimate action. See, we can multitopic. Roy, eh?

06-17-2002, 03:09 PM	#36
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I think you can thread it back to the singing breakman- Jimmy Rodgers in the 20s. Blues and Yodeling- Now that's a rockin' combination! then thars all that rockabilly. Dang, thats good stuff. Rauchier than the touring swing bands from the 30s and 40s- When the white country bands really integrated the blues. Rock came right out of jump blues. Memphis' Sun Studios in the 50s- Carl Perkins was a groundbreaker. But I would say a defining criteria would be the lead electric guitar and strong, driving rhythm section. And some obvious country/folk element- yodeling optional. When country music is good, it is very very good. When it's bad, it's horrid. Joke: Q: How many female singers does it take to sing a Patsy Cline tune? A: Apparently all of them. Ok, this just in. Comming attractions (or repulsions?) Country-Bluegrass Pink Floyd. I admit its intriguing.

06-18-2002, 10:10 AM	#38
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Hmm... Luther Wright is tomorrow night...If I can force my attention out of the garden, maybe I'll check it out.(my garden is the great time vacuume from March to October). And you're right, the mud man plugged into Chicago and made some new kinda blues that directly impacted rock. How about Howlin' Wolf? There's some raw wires. Yikes! Definitely a key contribution. Funny that it took the Brits revering these guys to wake America up. Does seem that everything comes back to blues- its primal from the heart. Like with jazz- if jazz loses the simplicity, rhythm and emotion brought by blues, in my opinion, it deteriorates to empty chromatic exercizes. Over playing. dweedle dee dweedle dee- it doesnt express anything. Same with rock dogs- you need that true blue foundation. I suppose its like any art that chooses form over content.

08-26-2002, 06:44 PM	#40
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Groovy! I bet you mean Jr. Brown. If its a deep baritone and steel, thats Brown. Cowtown's guitar-fiddle work sounds remarkably like Wills- do you mean Stardust? That's Cowtown. Best song ever. I'm diggin' the honky tonk classics...but you knew that! Here I reveal further wierderness, (perhaps not quite parallel, a bit diagonal in track)- I have been curious to find zither music. I love the haunting theme from "The Third Man" Its akin to mandolin, the string thing, but has that old world connection. There is more to hear...Tales From the Vienna Woods, Strauss I think, also has this haunting zither passage...Any ideas for some good zither music? I think it calls for a good record store safari. Its like a craving for Thai food.

08-26-2002, 07:33 PM	#41
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I'm not overly familiar with Bill Monroe, but I saw him on Jay Leno not too long ago and I was digging it. I wouldn't mind checking out his new CD.

08-27-2002, 07:37 AM	#43
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	C'mon Griff! You didn't see him perform? It was the day after Hendrix and Lennon did a duet. Now that you mention that Griff, I remember reading about Monroe's death in Rolling Stone. The performer's name who appeared on Leno escapes me...Earl Stanley? Ralph Stanley? Scruggs? Time for Geritol for me.

08-27-2002, 04:44 PM	#44
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I bet it was Ralph Stanley, he's been all over with the O Brother tour and stuff. I had never heard anything by him till that big soundtrack. And he's haunting when he sings. It was cool he got a grammy. What I think is interesting is how similar bluegrass form is to jazz quartet- there's the instrumentation, the improvisation, and the turns going around. Just kinda interesting. That music can be made at all is sort of magical to me. I tried to play instruments as a kid, but sucked in a big way, thankfully I had a kind music teacher who took pity, gave me all the wierd instruments to try- bass clarinet, baritone, bassoon, maybe one would click. He basically allowed me to sit in the midst of the real players, surrounded by the music if I promised to play very softly. It was great. I still remember going to Lebanon Valley College with the high school orchestra. We were playing Dvorak's New World Symphony and the acoustics were new and perfect. We did the first two notes and it echoed like mad. Everyone stoped and just went, whoa. Pretty primal stuff. Like laying on the floor with your head between two big speakers. Rock on.

08-27-2002, 08:02 PM	#45
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Yep...it was Ralph Stanley. I did a google search just to make sure.

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