Cloning Bill Passes - Page 3

9th Engineer · 11-09-2006, 10:34 PM

The first is the plainest, profit's gonna start taking over who gets what. The second is that you are bringing the two worlds of the terminally ill and desperate and the unscrupulous folks who would be more than happy to supply organs at a tidy profit. The question is, when your resource is human organs, how do you bring your supply up to meat the demands? The key here is that the people on the buying end are desperate, that's going to put alot of power in the hands of the organ suppliers.

BigV · 11-10-2006, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

that's what they said about plastic surgery

how many people are getting life saving plastic surgery? or life enhancing for that matter?

tw · 11-10-2006, 01:37 PM

One last reason for cloning and stem cell research I forgot to mention. Food. We grow meat rather that grow and slaughter intelligent animals. Not only is that more human. It also increases food safety.

Somehow, those who use their religion to fear will find something wrong with this. It will be interesting how this innovation will be attacked only due to fear.

Flint · 11-10-2006, 01:59 PM

@tw: This might be an area where science and religion agree, such as the religious rules regarding pork consumption having a basis in pork being an unsafe food source at the time these rules were written (and only much later on this was verified scientifically), and, conceiveably, cloned meat being an unsafe food source at the time when religion might condemn such consumption (assuming that it does prove to be unsafe for some reason.)

tw · 11-10-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

This might be an area where science and religion agree, such as the religious rules regarding pork consumption having a basis in pork being an unsafe food source at the time these rules were written (and only much later on this was verified scientifically), ...

Never forget the original purpose of religion and later of science. It is all about the advancement of mankind. Early religion was simply mankind's early attempts at what we now call scientific study. Those religions that got their 'science' more right therefore created stronger societies. Pork in warm climates without hygenie and refrigeration was that dangerous as both Jewish and Muslim religions proclaimed. They called it religion. Today we call it science.

When religion refuses to correct itself and refuses to admit to and learn from its mistakes, then that religion no longer advances mankind. Yes, the Catholic Church defined organ transplants (originally a kidney from one identical twin to the other) as original sin. Today that religion hopes you don't remember their obvious mistake. Religions don't like to admit they are fallible. Catholic Church especially insists the Pope is infallible. So how does he explain widespread and intentionally ignored pedophilia?

Meanwhile cloning – a new tool to advance mankind – may also provide better food sources. Those who religiously fear innovation would probably also fear this innovation.

Aliantha · 11-10-2006, 05:54 PM

Well plastic surgery was originally intended for 'life saving' type purposes. Severe burns, gross disfigurement from accidents etc.

The bastardization of plastic surgery occured when the wealthy started using it for their own benefit.

limey · 11-13-2006, 03:23 PM

I still think this thread is called "Cloning Bus Passes" whenever I see it on the list ...

11-13-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

how many people are getting life saving plastic surgery? or life enhancing for that matter?

Burn victims... quite a lot actuall, as stated above.
Religion has no place in making these decisions. This nation, in no way, is based on any religion and there is no room for religion within the state.

11-09-2006, 10:34 PM	#31
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	The first is the plainest, profit's gonna start taking over who gets what. The second is that you are bringing the two worlds of the terminally ill and desperate and the unscrupulous folks who would be more than happy to supply organs at a tidy profit. The question is, when your resource is human organs, how do you bring your supply up to meat the demands? The key here is that the people on the buying end are desperate, that's going to put alot of power in the hands of the organ suppliers. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

11-10-2006, 01:59 PM	#34
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	@tw: This might be an area where science and religion agree, such as the religious rules regarding pork consumption having a basis in pork being an unsafe food source at the time these rules were written (and only much later on this was verified scientifically), and, conceiveably, cloned meat being an unsafe food source at the time when religion might condemn such consumption (assuming that it does prove to be unsafe for some reason.) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-10-2006, 05:54 PM	#36
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well plastic surgery was originally intended for 'life saving' type purposes. Severe burns, gross disfigurement from accidents etc. The bastardization of plastic surgery occured when the wealthy started using it for their own benefit. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-13-2006, 03:23 PM	#37
limey Encroaching on your decrees Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An island within the south-west coast of Scotland Posts: 7,016	I still think this thread is called "Cloning Bus Passes" whenever I see it on the list ... __________________ Living it up on the edge ... of civilisation, within the southwest coast of

11-10-2006, 01:37 PM	#33
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	One last reason for cloning and stem cell research I forgot to mention. Food. We grow meat rather that grow and slaughter intelligent animals. Not only is that more human. It also increases food safety. Somehow, those who use their religion to fear will find something wrong with this. It will be interesting how this innovation will be attacked only due to fear.

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