Homosexuality: Choice or Chance? - Page 3

mrnoodle · 10-06-2006, 04:14 PM

The biological imperative is to reproduce. Orgasm is part of the mechanism. The means of orgasm is conscious decision. It feels good in order to make us propogate. But we like the feeling well enough to seek it out whether or not we actually desire offspring from it.

Any number of things can make you horny, but you can't blame your proclivities on biology unless they fit into the framework of the reproductive urge.

That means we're all perverts, of course. But we knew that already.

Flint · 10-06-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

That means we're all perverts, of course.

True...but that's because of eating the green M&Ms . . .

Happy Monkey · 10-06-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

The biological imperative is to reproduce. Orgasm is part of the mechanism.

Not quite. There is a biological imperative to orgasm. The reason that this has happened is because it frequently results in reproduction. When using the mental shorthand of "the goal of evolution is propagation of the genes", it can be easy to get things backwards. Life is an accumulation of things that happened to result in reproduction, there is no goal.

edit: There probably is also an imperative to reproduce, in the form of the love of babies and jealousy of other parents, but that is a separate issue from the question of sexual desire.

KinkyVixen · 10-06-2006, 06:43 PM

I've always thought that being a gay was a choice...the way I was raised...the fact that my belief says that it's wrong. But, I have 2 siblings, one of which told me earlier this year that he is in fact gay. After months of searching, wondering, confusion, and everything else I've decided that it's not a choice. I never had to decide that I was hetero, why would he have to decide that he's homo? If one has to choose, shouldn't everyone have to make that choice? AND, the fact that he grew up the same way I did...believed all the same things I believed...and hid it his entire life because he too felt that it was wrong...makes me think it's not a choice. Why would he put himself through all of that if he could take the easy way out and be with a girl?
I wish I knew...but since I'm not all knowing, I let his life be his, and love him for who he is...if in fact is a choice, and you believe the same things that I believe...it's not for me to judge him or anyone else...one day we will all meet our makers and have to deal with the decisions we've made in our lives...
and that's my opinion.

busterb · 10-06-2006, 07:12 PM

At my age, the key word is orgasm! Not how, why, with whom! But IF, and I hope it'll happen a few more time.

busterb · 10-06-2006, 09:19 PM

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Elspode · 10-06-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

You are bound by genetics to want to. We have a biological imperative to orgasm. Some of us would put having an orgasm before virtually any other activity. Now getting head while having pizza and beer while watching the Eagles is the ultimate set of activities.

How the hell did you know how my wife finally convinced me that she was my dream woman?! I mean, it was the Chiefs against the Cowboys, but still...

BTW - I'm serious.

tw · 10-06-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

I've always thought that being a gay was a choice...the way I was raised...the fact that my belief says that it's wrong. But, I have 2 siblings, one of which told me earlier this year that he is in fact gay. After months of searching, wondering, confusion, and everything else I've decided that it's not a choice. .

It makes no difference to anyone here - as a decent person - whether homosexuality is 'a choice or not'. Whether it is 'a choice or not' means it is their life. Any basic American should have no problem with their choice.

Many insist that being homosexual is a sin. Fine. That is a religion. If homosexuality is a sin in your religion, then you are not homosexual. But as soon as your religious beliefs are imposed upon anyone else, then you become anti-America, anti-humanity, and a satanist. Your religious beliefs never apply to anyone else. Never. The alternative is something we are all familiar with - The Spanish Inquisition. The persecution of Galileo. The Crusades. Whether he is gay by choice or not – you don’t pass judgement if you are truly a moral person.

When another passes judgment using religious beliefs, that person even violates the principles of being an American. You have a problem with his choice. I sympathise. However that is only your problem - an emotion. How you deal with your problem should never violate principles we associate with America. It is his choice. That does not, for one minute, harm any person reading this. Whether it is 'a choice or not' makes an interesting science discussion. But nobody cares whether he is gay 'by choice or not'. He is. Then that is reality. Done.

Elspode · 10-06-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

I never had to decide that I was hetero, why would he have to decide that he's homo?

Good for you. That's some decent logical thinking, girl. The whole "choice" conundrum comes in (pun intended) because Man is supposedly above and separate from the beasts. We have the capacity to understand Right and Wrong, to make moral choices, to elevate ourselves above the lesser creations.

Of course, it is horseshit, because Man is simply the top dog animal at present. Anyone who thinks that our station on Earth is a Holy Predetermined Permanent Situation ought to read more about asteroids, plagues and famines.

Man is an animal. A complex animal, sure but our behaviors are little different from any other animal, mating rituals included. So why should we be any more able to reject our biological imperatives than any other creature?

wolf · 10-06-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

And if you are a teenager, you don't even have to touch it to acheive the same results. I remember this one dream when I was about 15 about a Porsche 944.

Is that autoeroticism?

wolf · 10-06-2006, 09:55 PM

I believe that it is a matter of choice. Very few elements of human behavior are truly hardwired. It's not like animal behavior, such as a cat grooming itself with it's tongue, or chasing mice. Cats do these things even if they haven't had significant contact with other cats throughout their lives.

I have heard a theory put forth (not saying I agree with it, just reporting what I've heard) that sexual orientation is often a matter of the first significant sexual contact that a person has.

Sexual behavior often involves what's called "one trial learning" in psychology.

Spexxvet · 10-07-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

The biological imperative is to reproduce. Orgasm is part of the mechanism. The means of orgasm is conscious decision. It feels good in order to make us propogate. But we like the feeling well enough to seek it out whether or not we actually desire offspring from it.

Any number of things can make you horny, but you can't blame your proclivities on biology unless they fit into the framework of the reproductive urge.

That means we're all perverts, of course. But we knew that already.

So why do I feel so much less imperitive after a blow job? I know there's no chance of reproduction, but I feel like I've done my duty...ZZZZzzzz

mrnoodle · 10-07-2006, 10:04 AM

cuz your dick doesn't have a brain, and it thinks it just made babies

Spexxvet · 10-07-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

cuz your dick doesn't have a brain, and it thinks it just made babies

Exactly! It's not a biological imperative to reproduce, it's a biological imperative to feel like you've reproduced, which is having an orgasm.

mrnoodle · 10-07-2006, 10:23 AM

It's like a parallel universe, where people ALMOST make sense, but stop just short. Calgon take me away.

10-06-2006, 04:14 PM	#31
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	The biological imperative is to reproduce. Orgasm is part of the mechanism. The means of orgasm is conscious decision. It feels good in order to make us propogate. But we like the feeling well enough to seek it out whether or not we actually desire offspring from it. Any number of things can make you horny, but you can't blame your proclivities on biology unless they fit into the framework of the reproductive urge. That means we're all perverts, of course. But we knew that already. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-06-2006, 06:43 PM	#34
KinkyVixen Marching In! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 580	I've always thought that being a gay was a choice...the way I was raised...the fact that my belief says that it's wrong. But, I have 2 siblings, one of which told me earlier this year that he is in fact gay. After months of searching, wondering, confusion, and everything else I've decided that it's not a choice. I never had to decide that I was hetero, why would he have to decide that he's homo? If one has to choose, shouldn't everyone have to make that choice? AND, the fact that he grew up the same way I did...believed all the same things I believed...and hid it his entire life because he too felt that it was wrong...makes me think it's not a choice. Why would he put himself through all of that if he could take the easy way out and be with a girl? I wish I knew...but since I'm not all knowing, I let his life be his, and love him for who he is...if in fact is a choice, and you believe the same things that I believe...it's not for me to judge him or anyone else...one day we will all meet our makers and have to deal with the decisions we've made in our lives... and that's my opinion. __________________ "Smile before bed.You'll sleep better."

10-06-2006, 07:12 PM	#35
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	At my age, the key word is orgasm! Not how, why, with whom! But IF, and I hope it'll happen a few more time. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

10-06-2006, 09:19 PM	#36
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	NSFW http://www.consumptionjunction.com/home.asp __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

10-06-2006, 09:55 PM	#41
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I believe that it is a matter of choice. Very few elements of human behavior are truly hardwired. It's not like animal behavior, such as a cat grooming itself with it's tongue, or chasing mice. Cats do these things even if they haven't had significant contact with other cats throughout their lives. I have heard a theory put forth (not saying I agree with it, just reporting what I've heard) that sexual orientation is often a matter of the first significant sexual contact that a person has. Sexual behavior often involves what's called "one trial learning" in psychology. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-07-2006, 10:04 AM	#43
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	cuz your dick doesn't have a brain, and it thinks it just made babies __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-07-2006, 10:23 AM	#45
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	It's like a parallel universe, where people ALMOST make sense, but stop just short. Calgon take me away. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

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