Hypocritical USA haters in Levis... - Page 3

Spexxvet · 09-20-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Selfishness??? Spexx, dear boy, you are without experience of William F. Buckley. You aren't going to find selfishness in that guy, nor stupidity. And then there are the right-of-center guys who can keep up with him.
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Does this sound liberal or conservative?:

"don't tax me. More money in my pocket"
"I shouldn't have to pay for other people's welfare, social security, or medicare. More money in my pocket"
"don't regulate my business - I want all the profits, and if my employees get hurt or sick, or if residents around my factory suffer, I don't care, as long as I'm raking in the dough"
"there shouldn't be a minimum wage - if I can get away with paying someone to work for $1.00/hour, I should be allowed to. More in my pocket."
"illegal immigration is great! Those wetbacks work for just about nothing. More money in my pocket"

09-20-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

And your first remark was utterly unworthy of reply. Resist the temptation to declare yourself a schmuck, okay?

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

... all I need say to this is "Q.E.D."

Flint · 09-20-2006, 11:07 AM

As long as people are content with catagorizing themselves into these impossibly monolithic groups, and de-humanizing those who are "against" them, we will keep getting bamboozled by the us-versus-them politics of boogeyman-ism. The "two-party system" has become a one-party (divide and conquer) system.

09-20-2006, 11:08 AM

^ That.

headsplice · 09-21-2006, 10:54 AM

Some political theory history for everyone:
The neocons primary theoretical antecendent is Leo Strauss, a Trotskyite. Irving Kristol called the neoconservatives, "Socialists who just got mugged." More generally, they're welfare-staters (whether it be personal welfare or corporate) who supported Reagan during the Cold War and they're primarily defined by their foreign policy stances (specifically pre-emptive 'Big Stick'/military action over diplomacy) rather than domestic ones.
Also, they're mostly assholes. They're the ones that make shit up to get their way in government, (e.g., the OSP [Doug Feith's group] in the Pentagon and the current Pentagonian Iran Working Group [and if you don't believe they're trying to get us into Iran, despite the failures in Iraq, you're fooling yourself]).
So, for all you 'liberal haters' out there, be aware of how you label yourselves.

Undertoad · 09-21-2006, 11:05 AM

People will label your labels!

And then others will label the label-labelers!

headsplice · 09-21-2006, 11:15 AM

<Descriptory Label>
*Applied to UT*
HA! Take that!

Undertoad · 09-21-2006, 11:40 AM

I'm suing you for libel! You'll be liable! Because you're unreliable!

Don't take me for a joke i'm no comedian
Too many mental problems got me snortin coke and smokin weed again
I'm goin up over the curb, drivin on the median
Finally made it home, but i don't got the key to get in
-Eminem (when the lad actually had talent)

JayMcGee · 09-21-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Too many mental problems got me snortin coke and smokin weed again

back in the good/bad (delete according to prejudice) old days, that was called 'lack of moral fibre'...

xoxoxoBruce · 09-21-2006, 07:00 PM

Yeah, but we just laughed at the way you spell fiber and kept on doin' it.

Urbane Guerrilla · 09-22-2006, 05:28 PM

I don't either. An isolationist philosophy really only works under a certain set of international circumstance, and isn't going to work in an age of instant communications all around the globe and nuclear missiles.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-22-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I don't either. An isolationist philosophy really only works under a certain set of international circumstance, and isn't going to work in an age of instant communications all around the globe and nuclear missiles.

I don't follow that. By isolationist, I thought we were talking about economic self reliance, self controlled, self contained, as much as possible.

Are you speaking of isolationist as a physical defense mode, a metaphorical Great Wall of China?

09-23-2006, 03:35 PM

I want allies.
I agree 9th, the Japanese model is an excellent one. While maintaining a strong home military and strengthening our borders.

It is very simple... don't do business with people who don't like you. If they bad-mouth you or go against you interests, on a regular basis, just don't. If they start, call in your debts from them, NOW.
We need to start making nations pay back our loans anyway & if they do not, remove natural resources. Easy enough to off-shore drill until the over-due debt is paid or something similar.

Happy Monkey · 09-23-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

We need to start making nations pay back our loans anyway

We do NOT want to get that ball rolling. We borrow considerably more than we lend.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-23-2006, 09:23 PM

The Japs have virtually zero natural resources, which is why they have waged war on their neighbors repeatedly.
They have the social structure to be very productive when given raw materials and a market.... we gave them both.

09-20-2006, 11:07 AM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	As long as people are content with catagorizing themselves into these impossibly monolithic groups, and de-humanizing those who are "against" them, we will keep getting bamboozled by the us-versus-them politics of boogeyman-ism. The "two-party system" has become a one-party (divide and conquer) system. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-21-2006, 10:54 AM	#5
headsplice Relaxed Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 676	Some political theory history for everyone: The neocons primary theoretical antecendent is Leo Strauss, a Trotskyite. Irving Kristol called the neoconservatives, "Socialists who just got mugged." More generally, they're welfare-staters (whether it be personal welfare or corporate) who supported Reagan during the Cold War and they're primarily defined by their foreign policy stances (specifically pre-emptive 'Big Stick'/military action over diplomacy) rather than domestic ones. Also, they're mostly assholes. They're the ones that make shit up to get their way in government, (e.g., the OSP [Doug Feith's group] in the Pentagon and the current Pentagonian Iran Working Group [and if you don't believe they're trying to get us into Iran, despite the failures in Iraq, you're fooling yourself]). So, for all you 'liberal haters' out there, be aware of how you label yourselves. __________________ Don't Panic Last edited by headsplice; 09-21-2006 at 11:14 AM.

09-21-2006, 11:15 AM	#7
headsplice Relaxed Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 676	<Descriptory Label> Applied to UT HA! Take that! __________________ Don't Panic

09-21-2006, 07:00 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yeah, but we just laughed at the way you spell fiber and kept on doin' it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-22-2006, 05:28 PM	#11
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I don't either. An isolationist philosophy really only works under a certain set of international circumstance, and isn't going to work in an age of instant communications all around the globe and nuclear missiles. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

09-21-2006, 11:05 AM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	People will label your labels! And then others will label the label-labelers!

09-21-2006, 11:40 AM	#8
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm suing you for libel! You'll be liable! Because you're unreliable! Don't take me for a joke i'm no comedian Too many mental problems got me snortin coke and smokin weed again I'm goin up over the curb, drivin on the median Finally made it home, but i don't got the key to get in -Eminem (when the lad actually had talent)

09-23-2006, 03:35 PM	#13
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I want allies. I agree 9th, the Japanese model is an excellent one. While maintaining a strong home military and strengthening our borders. It is very simple... don't do business with people who don't like you. If they bad-mouth you or go against you interests, on a regular basis, just don't. If they start, call in your debts from them, NOW. We need to start making nations pay back our loans anyway & if they do not, remove natural resources. Easy enough to off-shore drill until the over-due debt is paid or something similar. Last edited by rkzenrage; 09-23-2006 at 03:40 PM.

09-23-2006, 09:23 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The Japs have virtually zero natural resources, which is why they have waged war on their neighbors repeatedly. They have the social structure to be very productive when given raw materials and a market.... we gave them both. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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