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Old 05-05-2006, 12:50 PM   #1
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Old 05-05-2006, 01:02 PM   #2
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Old 05-05-2006, 11:53 AM   #3
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"Meanest" user doesn't have to be a bad thing. It can just mean someone who always wins their fights. This isn't boxing, this is streetfighting, yo.
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Old 05-05-2006, 11:53 AM   #4
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Old 05-05-2006, 12:01 PM   #5
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a discussion of ideas

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So far, your assumptions about me have been wrong. But, I think you do it on purpose. You know, cherry-picking an arguable interpretation with the express purpose of crafting a vicious reply? You know, what you always do, every time you post? So, I think you know your assumptions are incorrect. You do it on purpose. If you enjoy doing that, then fire away! I'm not being sarcastic, I hope you're enjoying yourself. just don't start to blur the line between what I actually post and the bizarre twists you put on it.
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Old 05-05-2006, 12:49 PM   #6
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But, I think you do it on purpose...cherry-picking an arguable interpretation with the express purpose of crafting a vicious reply? ...just don't start to blur the line between what I actually post and the bizarre twists you put on it.
If there's a large difference difference between "an arguable interpretation" and "what you actually meant" (which is different from "what [you] actually post"...there's that subjectivity thing again) then you probably need to express yourself more precicely. It is called debate, after all.

But I don't see any point with "discussing the idea" of moderation being subjective if there's no alternative; one might as well "discuss the idea" of the water being wet. What possible conclusion could be reached about such a thing?

But when I suggested what I saw as the possible venue for an alternative (or even a reductio ad absurdam type of couterexample), you got all upset about my craftily and viciously accusing you of a desire to do such a henious thing. What a bizarre twist indeed.
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Old 05-05-2006, 01:04 PM   #7
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I don't see any point with "discussing the idea"
It's just a discussion of ideas, not an attempt to reach a conclusion to a problem, simply a discussion. You explore the subject form different angles, and occasionally new connections are made, new ideas or new subjects are hatched. It's not a contest, it's not a battle for dominance.

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you probably need to express yourself more precicely
I think I do a decent job. You may disagree, and that's a good thing, because I welcome constructive criticism. But at some point, a completely subjective point, criticism ceases to be constructive and becomes an end in itself. My perception of that point, as applies here, is such that every time you post, Maggie, you seem to be making an effort to find fault, with no real agenda other than posturing yourself into a dominant position. I keep mentioning this because I find it fascinating. Care to comment? Or not?
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Old 05-05-2006, 01:56 PM   #8
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I keep mentioning this because I find it fascinating. Care to comment?
Not to be confused with criticism for its own sake. :-)
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Old 05-05-2006, 02:29 PM   #9
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I keep mentioning this because I find it fascinating. Care to comment? Or not?

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Not to be confused with criticism for its own sake. :-)
okay, that's funny

:::stumbles around, searching in vain for clever response:::
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Old 05-07-2006, 09:58 AM   #10
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So far, your assumptions about me have been wrong.But, I think you do it on purpose. You know, cherry-picking an arguable interpretation with the express purpose of crafting a vicious reply? You know, what you always do, every time you post? So, I think you know your assumptions are incorrect. You do it on purpose. If you enjoy doing that, then fire away! I'm not being sarcastic, I hope you're enjoying yourself. just don't start to blur the line between what I actually post and the bizarre twists you put on it.
Why are the assumptions wrong?
How do you know she does it on purpose?
Don't we all cherry picK?
How do you know it is with deliberate attempt at being vicious?
Don't you think vicious is a word that could have been left out? It dosn't add anything objective. What is vicious to you?
Why would you assume she knows her assumptions are incorrect?
Why do you say Bizarre? How is it bizarre? It dosn't help the reader understand anything to use emotionally charged adjectives like bizarre and vicious.

It seems as though you too cherry pick information but no one has called them bizarre or vicious so.....I think that is the mean thing to do to a person is reduce things to what seems to be insults.


Just my opinion that probably should have been left unsaid. We shall she.[* edit= we shall see.]

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Old 05-06-2006, 12:57 AM   #11
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There are plenty of people who just love to argue, doesn't matter what the subject is. But when, from the moment they arrive, the majority of their contribution is to argue about the NATURE OR STRUCTURE of arguing, discrimination, moderating a forum, or any other thing which existed before they graced us with their presence, then it's a mind fuck for your own amusement rather than any meaningful attempt to know anybody or share observations. And then claim people are being mean if they stomp on your balloon instead of play with you. But that's fine, go ahead, Flint. This is kinda fun. Maggie was always really good at making mincemeat
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Old 05-06-2006, 07:12 AM   #12
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But when, from the moment they arrive, the majority of their contribution is to argue about the NATURE OR STRUCTURE of arguing, discrimination, moderating a forum, or any other thing which existed before they graced us with their presence...
It's amusing to note that some folks who complained the loudest about "don't tell me how to post" are so full of advice for others on that very topic...:-)
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Old 05-07-2006, 12:44 AM   #13
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It's amusing to note that some folks who complained the loudest about "don't tell me how to post" are so full of advice for others on that very topic...:-)
Hey, I was answering Flint's thread, not expounding on my personal philosophy of posting. What you did to me before was try to tell ME how to post about something I knew more about than you. So then when that didn't work you tried to take the discussion into another area. I replied that I had said what I had to say and if you wanted to go anywhere else you could go without me. Even if Switzerland is not your forte, I am fully aware and acknowledge that you know more about everything else in the entire Universe and all alternate universes than I do and therefore I have no intention of getting myself into a position to become your roadkill. So get back on the track, I'm much too soft for you to sharpen your claws on
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Old 05-07-2006, 10:11 AM   #14
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Hey, I was answering Flint's thread, not expounding on my personal philosophy of posting.
Nor was I referring to you. Methinks the Tonchi doth protest too much. The wicked flee when no man pursueth. :-)
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Old 05-06-2006, 02:12 AM   #15
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