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10-13-2007, 04:59 PM | #31 |
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PTSD = Pizza and Taco Stress disorder. you get it from having gas and heartburn at the same time. it really hurts ....a lot
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10-13-2007, 05:07 PM | #32 |
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My sister went to a school that was considered a sink school 5 years prior to her attending. A new Head did manage to turn the school around, with the help of a lot of money thrown at it by the local authority. But there were still days when she came home from school and complained that in certain lessons she felt she had learned nothing thanks to disruptive influences in the class. When most of the major troublemakers were moved into a separate class for "disadvantaged pupils" (it was the only failing school in a Tory ward - a blot on the landscape so in those days it got additional help) the class moved on enormously. And she ran into one of these troublemakers years later and he had a good job in IT - the school didn't give up on them, they just educated them differently.
NOT saying those pupils were in any way tase-worthy, but the point is a minority of students were causing problems in a reasonably affluent area in an up-and-coming school. And with teachers who had been through far tougher times. Lord knows how hard it is to teach in classes where the worst you can get isn't being spat on or sworn at but actually physically assaulted. I don't think any teacher should use physical means as a threat to subdue pupils - in that you're right Cicero. But as a last ditch attempt to protect themselves against physical assault, I would not have a problem with a teacher who dropped a teen with a taser. Crikey me, there will be at least one hostile witness in the class, if not more who will scream blue murder if it is used incorrectly.
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10-14-2007, 11:43 AM | #33 |
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Tasers work on deer!
See http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=6709 Fair use of tasers here I reckon, although the release strategy lacked a little forethought. Gee, they might have called an animal center or a vet and got his wounds checked, too. |
10-14-2007, 06:14 PM | #34 |
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I say taze 'em all and let General Electric sort 'em out.
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10-15-2007, 12:31 PM | #35 | |
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I am trying to respond to Dana as well here....... PTSD is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and I think the people of the united states are acting out of it after all of the school shootings, 9-11, and all the other recent traumas. Not only are we addressing real fears we are addressing imagined fears, and fears we have no control over, which does not bode well for out educational system. I was reading Epictetus yesterday and realized that this 2000 something year old philosopher was warning against this type of behavior. There are real things to fear, and imagined fears, and it is up to everyone individually to decide what is a real fear and what is not. Society and civilization plummets into a burning pile of rubble quite quickly once false fear is the prominent feature of any nation is what I think he was trying to say. I think what has happened here in the United States in regard to how we treat our school-age and college students is but a symptom of much greater problem. We are teaching them to be very afraid of authority, police, and our government. Moo! Get in line sheeple! Some kids in public schools are bullying teachers who are trying to help. They don't need to be in the damned classroom. They infect the other students like a deadly virus, and if you are too busy protecting yourself against every student, and ignore the good ones...Aren't you you advertising your commitment to the problem? Yes Dana, this occurs. I am not trying to be unfair to teachers. They are very commendable for doing their job under such stress at such low wages. I think they are awesome! For those that read every classroom in suburbia and in rural districts as a potential threat to their survival....well.....I'd like to ask that they give up the student harassment and seek alternative measures. Fear-mongering is no way to teach. Have some dignity. If you would like to arm yourself for a just in case scenario (with your weapon of choice)....go ahead! Please!! But I do not in any way think it behoves us to advertise our fear and contempt with mandated weapons. I value your opinions, as both you and Dana are clever. And I think we agree on tons of issues, and hopefully I am being clear enough....And I am not trying to be inflammatory. I just think that there are some good kids out there being treated unfairly, and hell even some "bad" kids that aren't that bad that aren't a real threat, they just look funny. I'm on their side. And some of them know it. It isn't hard to project that in a classroom.
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10-15-2007, 01:40 PM | #36 | |
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10-15-2007, 05:30 PM | #37 | |
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Just to clarify my position Cic: I do not believe that children should be treated like criminals, I completely agree that such tactics just serve to increase the sense of dislocation between young people and authority. I also know that there are poor (or demoralised) teachers who take the 'easy' route of blaming their pupils for a lack of discipline and enthusiasm that should rest more firmly on the teachers', or principles' heads. In the school I referred to earlier, teachers threatened to strike and refused to deal with children they described as "unteachable". I do not believe such a child exists. Problems are more complicated than just 'bad' kids. But they are also more complicated than 'poor' teachers. Often what is required is a higher level of support for those teachers (i.e Classroom assistants and a consistent approach to rules and discipline throughout the school community) and that is something that principles and governing bodies need to take more seriously. |
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10-15-2007, 07:00 PM | #38 |
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Since I myself have pointed out some issues from my limited perspective I will also offer a solution.....
I like Dana's idea about classroom assistants, in tandem/or in lieu of them, I would like to see the student to teacher ratio decrease. That may help if teachers and students are feeling a little overwhelmed. Lets throw more money at education! (In America) I'm tired of paying for all this crap that I don't like. They just cut electives from some santa fe public schools. (Just heard about it, and didn't get any details) They were too broke....? I want to spend my money and taxes on that. Hire more teachers, and get more computers, leave the arts and wood-shop classes alone...that's some people's only way to survive the mind-numbing days in high school. And actually pass. Don't taze education bro.
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10-15-2007, 07:16 PM | #39 |
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