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Old 02-05-2008, 11:15 AM   #31
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Right on!
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:21 AM   #32
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Just needs leadership ability.
I'd add that they need to lead in the right direction. I don't want to follow a strong leader off a cliff.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:28 AM   #33
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Good discussion. Hillary is not the answer. Obama, maybe, McCain, maybe. I don't know. If Hitlery gets the nod from the Dems I will vote for Donald Duck if he is the Repub canidate.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:35 AM   #34
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But Wesley Snipes like Hillary's tax cut proposal.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:47 AM   #35
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I'm honestly happy that at this point, no matter who goes to the general election of the few candidates left, it won't be as bad as the choices 4 years ago. It really was 'who's the lesser of two evils' question for me. I don't think I'd be unhappy with any of them this go round.

So what's wrong with Clinton?
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:07 PM   #36
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Candidate of change? Seriously? Classic you are smarter than that. None of the candidates are really proponents for change. Not in the way you mean it, anyway. The only real change any of them are interested in is seeing their address change. Real proponents of change wouldn't survive in politics long enough for you to even learn their names.
Be proud of the country based on the real people in it, not the assholes that get elected.
Personally, I am proud to be an American, but I hear so much from so many that it troubles me a great deal. Thats why I said what I said.
Aside from than that, I agree with you.

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So what's wrong with Clinton?
There isn't enough paper on the planet to answer that.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:54 PM   #37
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How about the top 5... 3... 1?
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:15 PM   #38
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#1 seems to be that she's a Clinton.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:16 PM   #39
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So what's wrong with Clinton?
Everything.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:16 PM   #40
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I don't know how you'd stand listening to her voice for the next 4-8 yrs to be honest.

She sounds like a fishwife.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:49 PM   #41
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Here are the basic frames I see:

Shrill, Femi-nazi, Tough, Manipulative, Slippery (slimed by Bill), Ruthless, Driven, Demanding, Angry, Built-in network to the Democratic partisan machine.

Old, Unstable, Hot Tempered, Loudmouth, Two-faced, Power hungry, Manipulative, Lacking Governing Skill, Bush-light, Riding his War record.

Naive, Black Male= (unstable, angry, threatening, untrustworthy, unelectable), Manipulative, Insincere, Idealistic, Unprepared, Muslim, Terrorist.

Mormon freak, Corporate slime, Vain Power-hungry pretty boy, heir to the Bush policy and political machine legacy.

Preacher, Theocratic, Clueless hick, unprepared, Bushian feel for constitution, Tax and spend, naive, idealistic.
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Old 02-05-2008, 07:45 PM   #42
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A republican friend passed this on to me:
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Old 02-05-2008, 07:58 PM   #43
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Pssssst
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Old 02-05-2008, 09:29 PM   #44
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How about the top 5... 3... 1?

1) She's a Clinton or a Bush.
2) She's "Hillary" Clinton.
3) Here Husband is Bill Clinton.
4) List of Clinton Scandals.
5) Stance on Taxes.
6) Stance in Iraq.
7) Look at her.
8) Listen to her.
9) Lack of action with Wal-Mart situation.
10) Political beliefs are contrary to mine.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:44 PM   #45
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I only see 4,5,6,9 & 10 as valid, but that's certainly enough to make an opinion.


Oh, and congrats to Warch, you done did it.
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