Miami soldier resists: 'This war is evil' - Page 3

smoothmoniker · 03-17-2004, 07:31 PM

But radar, you do interpret the text.

You make clause 1 apply to the whole article. You import the phrase "common defence (sic)" into the rest of the clauses, and so limit what Congress may muster an Army of Navy to do. It's not the plain reading; it's an interpretation.

You might say that the plain meaning of the text puts that clause in force for the whole article. I might say that the plain meaning sets each clause as independent. In either case, we're both making an interpretation.

At that point, we’re off “plain text” and we need to make an argument for whose hermeneutic is more reasonable. And if we're bandying about interpretations, surely we should pay some heed to those who are professional interpreters of the text? the Judiciary?

-sm

richlevy · 03-17-2004, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by Clodfobble
That's what the war powers act says, but as we've already established, that is an unconstitutional and illegal document.

You know, there's a group of people here in Texas who believe that, on a technicality (and my understanding is that the argument's entirely accurate and true), Texas never joined the Union and is in fact its own country.

Does this mean we can give them back their president?

elSicomoro · 03-17-2004, 08:50 PM

Shit, they can have the whole state back...look at the Dwellars on here from Texas!

Troubleshooter · 03-17-2004, 08:55 PM

Hey, they can't help being from TexAss.

Troubleshooter · 03-17-2004, 09:35 PM

Equality may perhaps be a right, but no power on earth can ever turn it into a fact.
-- Honore' de Balzac

Clodfobble · 03-18-2004, 09:30 AM

Hey, they can't help being from TexAss.

Ah, you've been to Houston then I see.

I live in Austin, which you may be assured is an extremely beautiful and friendly place--the arrogance of the city notwithstanding.

Shit, they can have the whole state back...look at the Dwellars on here from Texas!

Who else?

03-17-2004, 08:55 PM	#34
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Hey, they can't help being from TexAss. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

03-17-2004, 09:35 PM	#35
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Equality may perhaps be a right, but no power on earth can ever turn it into a fact. -- Honore' de Balzac __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

03-17-2004, 07:31 PM	#31
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	But radar, you do interpret the text. You make clause 1 apply to the whole article. You import the phrase "common defence (sic)" into the rest of the clauses, and so limit what Congress may muster an Army of Navy to do. It's not the plain reading; it's an interpretation. You might say that the plain meaning of the text puts that clause in force for the whole article. I might say that the plain meaning sets each clause as independent. In either case, we're both making an interpretation. At that point, we’re off “plain text” and we need to make an argument for whose hermeneutic is more reasonable. And if we're bandying about interpretations, surely we should pay some heed to those who are professional interpreters of the text? the Judiciary? -sm

03-17-2004, 08:50 PM	#33
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Shit, they can have the whole state back...look at the Dwellars on here from Texas!

03-18-2004, 09:30 AM	#36
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Hey, they can't help being from TexAss. Ah, you've been to Houston then I see. I live in Austin, which you may be assured is an extremely beautiful and friendly place--the arrogance of the city notwithstanding. Shit, they can have the whole state back...look at the Dwellars on here from Texas! Who else?

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